Nina-

First to leave a comment? You bet!

As I mentioned in the follow-on email, Sweetie, I’m not really having such a hard time of it. I’m very accepting, and focusing on things besides the Domina of my life right now.

If you’ll read the comments on that post regarding Royal, you’ll see this comment by MsCatwoman, a Mistress of color,

“I agree. Gender, or race for that matter, are not indicators of a person’s political position. It is my hope that people are not so rigid or assuming in their thinking.”

If women are liberal and so much more caring, and comprise a larger percentage of registered voters in America than males, why haven’t they a) formed the Gynarchy party, b) nominated their own, female (of course) candidate, and then c) elected her?

In this fantasy, btw, they also take all the state legislatures, then pass an amendment repealing the Electoral College, so that their superior numbers always guarantee a female President.

Hey, this future is now! If all that separates the liberal fantasy of tomorrow from now is women’s votes, you’re there.

So, where’s the flaw? Because I’m here to tell you, it ain’t happening anytime soon.

Too many people vote values and positions, not cock vs vagina.

Happy Mothers Day, Sweetie. I treasure your support, emails, and our debates.

xoxoxoxox
-saratoga

saratoga,

Thank you for the Mothers Day wishes sweetie! I had a wonderfully relaxing day and did absolutely nothing! :biggrin:

And I’m also glad to hear that you’re doing better with respects to that other situation. I think we have to accept what life brings us and then it’s up to us to figure out what the universe is trying to tell us.

There are a lot of ways I could answer your questions, but, let me approach it like this; I believe we are more liberal, and the problem here is language. Words like “liberal” and “conservative” have become like epithets that are hurled at each other by people on the extremes of either side. If you actually talk to people and find out where they stand on issues, then words like liberal and conservative stop making sense. Very few of us are straight up and down one way or the other. We all have a cross section of views and ideas that place most of us somewhere in the middle. So what’s considered the liberal position? Universal Healthcare? If you ask most people, the majority believe that everyone should have access to good medical care. Public Education? If you ask most people, the majority believe that education is extremely important, especially for the future where our children will have to compete with China, India, and Japan in areas of technology, science, and engineering. Even abortion, depending on “how” the question is asked, most people say that they’re personally against abortion, but they also believe that the government shouldn’t interfere in a private medical decision between a woman and her doctor. What else is considered liberal? The environment? Almost everyone supports having a clean environment, so how is this an exclusively liberal position? It isn’t.

The problem is that we start having disagreements when we try and figure out how to pay for all of it, but on the issues alone, they become less a liberal or conservative position when you actually ask people what they think.

Another very significant issue is that there is no conservative agenda anymore, except on social issues, and the majority of the country recoils at the idea of the government or a very loud sliver of right wing theocrats telling the rest of us what we can do, what we can watch, what we can read, how we can worship, and even what we can think. So what’s conservative? The Horatio Alger mantra of “You too can be a gazillionaire if you play by our rules!” I don’t buy that, and most of America doesn’t either, not anymore. The conservative movement which rose and fell with Ronald Reagan is over. And no matter what people tell pollsters, everytime the government attempts to legislate morality to appease the so called “values voters” the country doesn’t go for it. You cannot legislate morality or values, so that leaves you with economic issues, and based on the track record of the Republican party, they’ve lost the right to ever say the phrase “Tax and Spend Democrats” ever again. Under the last three Republican presidents, Reagan, Bush & Bush, the country has been run into the red, so, enjoy your artificially low taxes for now, but the smart position is to “pay as you go” the way Clinton did. I think when China calls in its loan to the USA that’s funding our wars of conquest we’re all going to be in for a big surprise. What always puzzles me is that so called conservatives scream and jump up and down about paying for social programs, but they don’t blink an eye at the defense budget. Why? Because defense contractors need to make money too! They see no ROI on social programs (even tho there really is in the longterm), so again, greed and instant gratification rules the day all financed by all that cheap paper being floated by Beijing.

The conservative position is that government shouldn’t interfere with a corporation’s ability to make profits, but that’s unsustainable and short sighted. For example, Oil companies are making obscene profits, but unless they invest heavily into alternative fuels, when the oil runs out (and it will), they’re all done. Right now we subsidize these same oil companies with huge tax breaks, yet we don’t compel them to reinvest a portion of those profits into alternative fuels. If we’re giving them huge tax breaks, shouldn’t they have to do something for the rest of us in order to receive them? Government is supposed to work for the people, not corporations, and right now that equation is upside down.

What’s wrong with women is a bigger question. What we lack is a movement that brings us together so we can speak with one cohesive voice. Feminism ran its course, and in many ways we’re better for it, but then most of us settled into life, agreed to be paid 72% of what men earn for doing the same jobs, we agreed to have careers to help support the household but we also agreed to have your babies, and we settled. We settled for the Lexus in the driveway, yoga classes once or twice a week, a secret lover who we met online, and we allowed our own views and ideas to be supplanted and colonized by yours, and why did we do it? To keep the peace. And many of us have also been forced by our life situations to do those so called “traditionaly female jobs”; waitress, housekeeper, nurse, secretary, just to survive. Why? Maybe because we got pregnant and had a baby, but the father ran off and didn’t live up to his obligations so we had to take any job just to survive, even if its a low paying job, because maybe we had to put off going to school to have that baby and we have to take what we can get. There are lots of reasons why women’s lives are the way they are, but don’t confuse what we have to do to survive for a lack of concern on issues which affect those lives. Some of us don’t have time to be politically active in between working two jobs, making sure our children eat dinner, go to school, go to bed, and maybe cleaning the house if we can manage it.

An interesting fact, most single women self identify as Democrat/Liberal. Once we get married and have children, that seems to change, and there’s no real explanation for that either. The same soccer moms of the 90’s became terror moms after 9/11, but most women believe in strong defense but don’t support war. The real problem saratoga… not enough women vote.

Consider this; there are more females than males being born worldwide. We outnumber you but we’re not cohesive. This will change. It has to. When men become the minority, women will ascend into power. What we suffer from is cultural and societal apartheid, but this too will change.

It may be a man’s world sweetie, but the revolution is coming, and we’re taking over! (and with your proclivity for FemDom that should make you happy!) :wink:

(I also treasure your support, friendship, emails, and our debates!) :kissing:

xoxo,
nina

Re: Segolene Royal’s loss, it could have been a few things if the articles I read are correct (but my feeling is that his honeymoon with the French public will be short once he’s in office).

First her message to the electorate was not as focused as was Sarkozy’s; his was a simple 1-2 item thing stating that France must change and France must work harder.

Second, I think people still can’t get past labels. Segolene was labeled a “Socialist” (another “ist”) even though her ideas were fairly modern & progressive in contrast to the old socialist ideas, which means her party affiliation may have hindered her.

Third, France used electronic voting which could have played a part. Although if you look at the vote results, you can see Abstentions were significant in contrast to Spoilt & null votes.

I agree the world is headed for a Gynecocracy. Each new generation of women make it more likely since they are leaving behind all the chains & stereotypes that men used to put on them. It’s inevitable.

It would be nice if Hillary was more like Segolene, but Le Hill tries to play the man’s game. Such is US politics. Besides, IMO the first US women president will come from a movement, not a political background. Once they’re in the US system, they’re crooked.

JW,

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on these issues! There’s so much I want to respond to!

The most significant thing I want to address are your observations about the US political system, which by and large, has been completely corrupted by money, lobbyists, and corporate interests. If we really examine what divides conservatives and liberals (and I too despise the labels), conservatives support a complete free market system, which on paper seems fine, but in order for that free market to function you need a healthy populace, and the only way to keep the population healthy is with social programs. So, when I argue that there’s a real ROI on social spending, that’s where I’m coming from. The machine cannot function when all of its parts aren’t in top order. By contrast, it’s been alleged that liberals want to create this great welfare state where people aren’t compelled or encouraged to succeed on their own. This is so far from the truth and in my opinion is just hokum and right wing spin. We don’t want a welfare state, we want a healthy state, and as a society I feel we have an obligation to care for the weakest among us, not eliminate them by the process of free markets. Make no mistake tho, I’m also a capitalist. Making money is a good thing, having a strong economy is a good thing, but having “balance” is a better thing, and I think, as many progressives also think, we can and must have both.

You’re quite right, Le Hill is trying to play on the same field as the old boys club, and I’m not quite sure how that’s going to work for her. Women don’t like Le Hill because of how she handled Bill. Most of us think she should have left his ass after he publicly humiliated her, and in her book where she claimed that she had “no idea” that he was cheating is just bullshit. Trust me. We know. We always know.

As for France, I agree that Sarkozy’s honeymoon will be short lived, especially after he came out and said he wanted to strengthen ties with the United States. Oops! Tho this article is quite telling, and if Sarkozy can’t manage to win control in the upcoming parliamentary elections he won’t be able to push much of an agenda. Oh yes, thanks for the links about more criminality regarding Black Box Voting, and yes, it does seem that abstentions played a big role, and I don’t doubt that Ségolène Royal was hurt by her “socialist” label.

” I agree the world is headed for a Gynecocracy. Each new generation of women make it more likely since they are leaving behind all the chains & stereotypes that men used to put on them. It’s inevitable. ”

Oh yes. Absolutely. It may take a few generations, but we will get there, and yes I completely agree, the first woman US president will undoubtedly come from a movement. What that movement will be we may not yet know, and it may not happen in our lifetimes, but it will happen. Of that there is no doubt.

Thanks so much sweetheart! I love being able to have such thought provoking conversations! It makes me feel as tho my PolySci degree wasn’t a waste of time! :biggrin:

xoxo,
nina

Nina-

I agree with you on some point, but, alas, as expected, not on others.

I don’t pretend to understand the Democratic party as a liberal would.

Thus, it’s no surprise that I differ with you regarding the Republican party, although I do not consider myself of that party. But I do tend toward conservatism.

What most non-conservatives do not comprehend is that conservatives generally prefer less government, period. For everyone, even non-person entities which we call corporations.

It’s not about money. It’s about liberty and freedom. And in that respect, the Reagan legacy and movement is far from over. It’s never over.

I don’t actually welcome a gynocracy, because that would be as silly as welcoming any other single-attribute regime. Few, if any women I see on the American political scene, of any party, are, for me, anywhere near qualified or trustworthy to be President.

Regarding your ending point about how women’s values change as they marry and have children, I would think that’s obvious. It’s very much related to a quote from years ago, which I heard on then-unbiased Chris Mathew’s Hardball.

After Mario Cuomo’s (I think) keynote speech at the Democratic convention held at The Bunker in SF, a young aide to one of the party’s heavyweights called his father to ask his opinion of the speech.

His father, aware of his son’s obvious enthusiasm, replied to this effect,

son, voting democrat got me where I am today (the son was the scion of a predictably and typically wealthy, privileged Democratic family), but voting republican is going to keep me here.

Just so. As people begin to have something to protect, they learn to regard the greedy, grasping hand of the state with suspicion. Heady, emotional liberalism of youth tempers toward a more sensible, sustainable conservative orientation for many as they amass property and lives which they prefer to have unimpeded and minimally affected by government.

Was it not Jefferson, father of the Democratic party, who preferred more media and less government to the reverse?

No, it’s not just about taxes and making money. Although, under the current administration, the deficit has fallen precipitously, thanks to large tax revenue inflows from Bush’s lower tax rates.

It is, in the end, about freedom and personal liberties.

On that matter, I don’t think gender is a defining attribute. Nor ever will be.

xoxoxo

-saratoga

I’ve always wanted to be a campaign manager at least once. With your brain and my brain, maybe Nina08? Then your PolySci degree would really be worthwhile. heh heh heh.

Loved the IHT article. It’ll be interesting to watch Sarko now that he’s no longer a candidate. Here’s an article, Atypically French: Sarkozy’s Bid to Be a Different Kind of President by Sophie Pedder, to consider. Which Nicolas will govern? The hardliner or the moderate?

In the US, it’s beginning to be seen that globalization and the mega-corporations are unsustainable and the beginning of the decline is here. In addition to the Kunstler article a couple of weeks ago, there’s been a new “buy local” movement under the radar the last few years which has been picking up steam.

Organizations like BALLE and AMIBA have sprung up and the numbers are in on the big box retailers like Wal-Mart and people are seeing the damage in terms of numbers for the first time through books and studies.

As far as health care, I watch International Dateline, a weekly program from Australia on LinkTV, and one of their programs on the Cuban healthcare system was quite interesting, and especially how it relates to the rest of Latin America. The transcript can be found here: http://news.sbs.com.au/dateline in the
“Archives - May 24, 2006″ titled
“Cuba: A Clean Bill of Health”. I have a copy of it.

saratoga,

Thank you so much for your response, but you seem to be a bit all over the place sweetie, and I’d like to keep this sporting but still friendly!

I’m a bit confused by some of your remarks tho. If it’s not about money, then what’s it about? You say ‘freedom, personal liberty, and small government’, yet the Republican party and by extension conservatism has moved away from all of these principles, and has in fact I believe, abandoned them completely. We elect people thru political parties, which leaves us with a lot of labels, but they become necessary to use to have this discourse.

If it’s about personal liberty, then why do conservatives oppose abortion? Why did the Republican party hijack the US Congress to enact ‘emergency legislation’ for Terri Shiavo? Why did a Republican president engage in secret wiretapping of US citizens? Why does a Republican led justice department work to find ways around the US Constitution? Suspension of Habeas Corpus? The Patriot Act?

Small government? You are of course aware that the size of the US government has grown under Bush, yes? So where’s the conservatism?

Reagan’s winning attribute was that he was able to convince the ordinary Joe & Jane to vote against their own self interests, so in terms of legacy, he’s idolized by Republicans, but from another view, he’s over-rated, especially with claims that he alone brought down the Soviet Union. 4o years of cold war spending and action by both Republicans and Democrats ended the Soviet Union, Reagan just happened to be there. There is however, no Ronald Reagan clone waiting in the wings to assume the throne. Those years are over. So, is the new enemy of the state now “Islamic Fascists” as it was once “Global Communism”?

We are at war with Eurasia, We have always been at war with Eurasia. – 1984

The only issue conservatives have right now is illegal immigration, and most of the country doesn’t care. So again, that leaves social issues. One of the reasons Bush won in 2004 was because his henchman Karl Rove was able to get gay marriage bills on the ballots of 11 states, which brought social conservatives out of the closet to come vote. And once again, we’re seeing them trying to do the same thing with a 1973 court case (Roe v. Wade) to try and drive the same kind of fear mongering fervor. Or it will be some “terra-alert” or who knows what else, but the country isn’t buying it again. We don’t want to go to war with Iran and we want to get the fuck out of Iraq, and all of the failures of Bush are going to hang around the neck of every Republican running for any office in 2008.

” Although, under the current administration, the deficit has fallen precipitously, thanks to large tax revenue inflows from Bush’s lower tax rates.”

That’s such a red herring.

“In 2001, the Congressional Budget Office anticipated that the government balance between 2002 and 2011 would be in the black to the tune of $5.6 trillion. For the fiscal year 2006, the CBO projected a surplus of $505 billion. Today, the CBO projects deficits between 2002 and 2011 of $2.9 trillion, and for FY2006 the actual deficit amounted to $248 billion. This constitutes a deterioration for the period 2002 to 2011 of $8.5 trillion and a decline of $753 billion for FY2006. Between 2007 and 2016, the CBO predicts cumulative deficits of $1.8 trillion. If AMT reform and permanent tax cuts for the wealthy are included, the total deficit for the next decade would come to $3.5 trillion, even if the costs for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan drop below current projections in a few years.” – Economist Christian Weller

I also disagree with your premise about why some women migrate politically. I own property, I earn a decent living, I have an investment portfolio, yet my politics have been consistently steady. And as I said in a another comment on another post not too long ago, I believe in fiscal conservatism, pay as you go, and having a strong military, but I’m also extremely liberal on any and all social issues, and I believe that as a society we have an obligation to care for the weakest among us.

The problem I have with conservatism and conservative thought is that it seems to want to have its cake and eat it too. It wants it both ways, and you can’t have it both ways. You can’t have your low taxes and an economy fueled by deficit spending and borrowing for any real sustainable length of time, but Wall Street is impatient and they want their profits now. Our priorities are completely skewed to this concept of “more” that’s permeated our culture, and the results are always disasterous. Wage growth is low, family debt is on the rise, savings are down, the housing market has grinded to a halt, poverty is on the rise, trade deficits are obscene, and the explanation of all of this is the bubble created by artificially low taxes.

Consider this; this is the first time in the history of this nation where we’ve been involved in a foreign war and there hasn’t been a tax increase to pay for it. Thank you China, the cheque is in the mail.

As for the so called “gynocracy” it will happen. Maybe not tomorrow or next year, but it’s inevitable. And as I said in the original post, I think the fault with your premise is that it only considers the way the world is now. Things will change. They always do, and when they do, it will be a woman who ushers them in.

But really saratoga, I don’t know what Jefferson or the media have to do with this? And quite frankly, this isn’t about the Democratic party either, other than the majority of the country now seems to feel that Democrats are better equipped to solve the nation’s problems. Liberal isn’t a dirty word you know… and if you argue that personal liberty, freedom, and small government are what its all about, those seem like pretty liberal ideas to me. The birth of this country was a liberal idea!

Oh sweetie, I hope we’re still friends now! :kissing:

xoxo,
nina

JW,

:biggrin: lol! Oh good lord…!!! “nina08” is never going to happen! I get scrutinized enough by the obsessed blogging crazies as it is, and all I do is keep an online journal! If my journal makes them insane could you imagine me running for political office? lmao! **shudders**

Thanks for those articles. I think it remains to be seen how Sarkozy manages to govern without infuriating the left wing element of the country, which is considerably large.

I agree with you about globalization and mega-corporations, and I’d also tend to agree that the beginning of the decline is here, especially as evidence by events of just a few weeks ago when ripples in China’s economy sent shockwaves thru the American exchange. It used to be when America sneezed the world caught cold, but it’s the other way around now. Wal-Mart has to be the absolute worst thing for the US economy! We bring in so much cheap goods from China and pan-Asian countries that completely screw our own interests. There’s something to be said about having a degree of protectionism. That’s one area where I really disagreed with Bill Clinton. His trade policies were not in this country’s best interests, and under Bush it’s been worse.

It really makes you stop and think about war and why we chose to fight this war. Think about how much money has been spent with US defense contractors. War equals money. More war. More money. It’s always about the money.

Thanks also for the info about the Cuban healthcare system. I know Michael Moore has a new film coming out, and while I’m not a huge MM fan, I’m eager to see the film. Sadly, I think Moore has become a caricature and has really squandered any platform he had. I think he pushed the “I hate Bush” message much too hard and it’s hurt him in the long run.

But you know sweetie, maybe we can find a candidate and work on the campaign! I think you might be on to something!

xoxo,
nina

“What most non-conservatives do not comprehend is that conservatives generally prefer less government, period. For everyone, even non-person entities which we call corporations.

It’s not about money. It’s about liberty and freedom. And in that respect, the Reagan legacy and movement is far from over. It’s never over.”

That’s a strange thing to say because the father of the “conservative” movement was Barry Goldwater (not Reagan).

Smaller government. Fiscal responsibility.

Those were not Reagan’s ideals. He was social conservative, not fiscal conservative, as George Jr has shown that he too can “spend like a drunken sailor” and reign over the largest increase of federal government in its history.

And there’s the key: “rule”, not “govern”.

Another thing to remember about Reagan is that as governor, he was always “for” something (like abortion”) before he was “against” it as president.

As Krugman says here, Reagan was lucky he “…never controlled both houses of Congress — and the pre-Gingrich Republican Party still contained moderates who imposed limits on his ability to govern badly. Reagan’s movement is dead. People finally figured out the scam he started (albeit 25+ years later).

I’ve never heard a “Democrat” say they’re for “bigger” government. They do like their taxes & money to be spent wisely though, and not on wasteful things like “Star Wars” or the endless feeding trough of patronage and defense contractors and corporate tax breaks (aka corporate welfare) to profitable companies like Wal-Mart.

And last, labels like Republican and Democrat are outdated. In reality, Clinton was a “liberal Republican” in the mold of Rockefeller, rather than JFK. As Newsweek pointed out last week, the Republican party is losing the traditional families like the Eisenhowers and the (Teddy) Roosevelts and the Goldwaters because it’s become the party of religion and single issues like pro-life.

And my guess is that most people who profess to be Republicans really aren’t. Why? Plain and simple. They aren’t rich enough.

JW,

Thanks for the great analysis! This one point tho really sums it up:

” I’ve never heard a “Democrat” say they’re for “bigger” government. They do like their taxes & money to be spent wisely though, and not on wasteful things like “Star Wars” or the endless feeding trough of patronage and defense contractors and corporate tax breaks (aka corporate welfare) to profitable companies like Wal-Mart.”

And you can add ExxonMobil and a few other mega companies to the corporate welfare rolls. How this government justifies giving oil companies tax breaks when they’re raking in the loot hand over fist infuriates me.

But this phrase is just perfect, “they do like their taxes & money spent wisely”.

YES!!! :w00t:

There is so much waste in the defense budget as it is, not only Star Wars or some other missile defense shield, but Bush’s proposal/desire to overhaul and update our nuclear weapon inventory with bigger, better, and badder warheads. What country in the world right now, other than China or Russia, has the ability to launch an ICBM at the United States? Again, more money for defense contractors! I remember reading something back in 2004 before the elections which broke down how our tax dollars are spent, and if we diverted just a percentage of those dollars away from the defense department, this country could fully fund public education, healthcare, medicare, and social security and not even bat an eyelash. So yes, it’s about the money and where we spend it.

What I want are leaders who act responsibly and who act like adults. We’ve seen the results of having a drunken Texas National Guard war dodger in control with a compliant congress to enable him, and it isn’t pretty.

Thanks hon! I’m really enjoying this! I’m not getting much work done, but it’s certainly a fun way to spend my Monday! haha! :kissing:

xoxo,
nina

JW,

I wanted to add one other thought from your last comment.

”it’s become the party of religion and single issues like pro-life.”

I have long argued with my conservative friends that the Republican party has been hijacked by the evangelical right. Even now in our political discourse, Rudy G. is being raked over the coals because he’s pro-choice, which will essentially kill his candidacy. Same thing with Mittsy. I mean, I’m in the Boston area so I’m completely familiar with how Mitt ran Massachusetts, and until he started making noise about running for the White House, he absolutely had to govern with pro-choice principles. We started seeing Mitt turn around after the 2004 elections and when Massachusetts became the first state to allow gay marriages. And guess what? Gays are still getting married in the Bay State and the world is still turning. Armageddon is apparently on hold.

xoxo,
nina

Nina-

Yes, the comments have gotten rather broadly scattered now. As is often the case for us in public commenting exchanges, lets agree to respectfully disagree.

Politics is nothing if not passion-provoking, and that’s a good thing.

You are still have my respect and affection.

xoxoxox

-saratoga

saratoga,

Awww, thank you sweetie! :kissing:

Most men can’t handle it when their political views are challenged by a woman. You did remarkably well… for a man! (…Just teasing sweetheart…)

I know you’re not quite ready for the vulvacracy, so I’ll let you off the hook, until the next time! :biggrin:

Thank you dearest!

xoxo,
nina

Nina-

Oh, genders don’t matter to me in a debate. You know that, Sweetie!

Maybe if I were made into a mere sex slave, the cumming vulvacracy would be a treat for me, and I’d even vote for Hillary to usher it in.

xoxox

-saratoga

saratoga,

lmao!

Well, what do you think we’re going to do with all of you once we take over? :biggrin:

Viva la vuvlacracy!

See, I knew you would come around to le hill sooner or later. Can’t you just imagine her in black matte thigh highs? Mmmm, I know you can!

hahaha!

xoxo,
nina

Nina-

What I can imagine is me, blindfolded, caged and leashed. Le Hill outside, in her opera-length leather gloves, thigh-high, black matte, laceups, sporting an 8″ strapon for me to lube up with my mouth, and, maybe, if I’m really good, a chance at inhaling the unique feminine perfume of her Vulvacrat Pussy.

mmmmmmmm

happier now?

xoxoxo
-saratoga

saratoga,

lmao! eeww!

You’re such a sicko! But that’s why I love you!

Even I can’t imagine le hill like that!

“Vulvacrat pussy” huh? I’ll have to remember that one! Tho I think hill may be sporting a cock! You might be in for a surprise! hahaha!

xoxo,
nina

Ok, if you don’t want to run Nina08, but by putting everything out there, it’s not an issue. But we can start getting someone picked for 2012 to run. ;)

If only I was a comedian like Will Durst. The Reps (and Dems too) would make me rich. But then if they’re gonna build a fence along the border, then you know they really shouldn’t hire illegals to do that. ;)

I think Ole Mitt’s gonna have problems with his net worth being an issue and the “cost of a gallon of milk” question (= out of touch).

St. McCain has a problem with his current world and Iraq view. So much for a Viet Nam pilot that was bombing unarmed civilians and who got shot down and captured. Oh, and then there’s that Keating Five thing too from the 80s. Other than that he’s been pretty undistinguished in his Senate career.

The rest of them . . . . pasty white guys and average at best.

Bush & the Republican Congress showed how “Rubber Stamp” works with no checks and balances, didn’t they.

They’ve done all they can to make sure their party goes the way of the Whigs.

But we do need something better than the Democrats though.

Nuff said.

JW,

Mmmm, yes, I have enough on my plate right now! haha!

Well, I think we’re in one of those swing periods to begin with, and with Bush being the absolute failure that he is, I can certainly envison the republicans going the way of the Whigs too.

I’d also agree that the Democrats have been less than impressive on a number of fronts. I would love to have something better because I’m tired of having to settle.

Thanks hon!

xoxo,
nina

Defense spending at 40 cents for every dollar is truly a waste.

The military isn’t equipped to fight 21st century wars (because it’s guerrilla warfare like Iraq and Afghanistan in third world countries, and in first world countries it’s financial by trade or assets movement), yet they’re spending like crazy on tanks, jets, and a whole bunch of other crap they don’t need just to keep defense contractors in business. They still think it’s the WWII and the Cold War.

All the while that 40 cents could have gone to schools and other things.

Run Nina. Run. A Japanese Schoolgirl Uniform in every bedroom! ;)

JW,

Oh I know, it’s awful really isn’t it? We could solve all of this country’s social problems with just a fraction of what we’re spending at The Pentagon. And you know I’ve written about my Father and how he was a career USN Officer, so I “get” the need for a strong military being a Navy Brat myself, but the things we spend money on, as well as the enormous portion of revenue that gets spent on the military is crazy!

You’re absolutely right, they do act like it’s post WWII and we’re still fighting the cold war.

lol! So you’re still trying to draft me for a ‘nina08′ run huh? Well, if we could get every woman into a Japanese Schoolgirl Uniform we’d certainly have a lot of happy people out there!

Thanks sweetie,

xoxo,
nina

Nina-

Re: oral worship of Hill’s vuvlacratic cleft, note that I said blindfolded. *smile*

Re: more political comments. It’s clear to me that you and JW use a completely different view of the world than I do, including the ‘facts’ we all say we ‘know.’

People like the three of us won’t convince each other to change our minds. After the fun, light jousting is over, I prefer to move to more productive matters. As I’m sure you do as well.

xoxoxo
-saratoga

The majority of voting America is in the middle. Unfortunately both parties consistently pick candidates are not in line with vast majority. Living in DC I cannot get away from news and discussions around politics. It is my belief that politicians whore themselves out to whoever is financially backing their political career regardless of party. Most people cast their vote based on a few topics that are important to them. It is sad how both parties hammer their own members if they don’t support all of the party lines. I vote Republican for financial reasons but the party scares the hell out of me socially. I figure when it becomes to socially oppressive here, I will just take my money and move somewhere more fun!!!

“…I will just take my money and move somewhere more fun!!!”

That’s 21st century democracy.

saratoga,

lmao! Okay sweetie. No problem!

xoxo,
nina

Sean,

Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts with me! I would tend to agree that this country tends to track center/right a bit, even with a bit of libertarian thrown in there. But taking the money and running is always a good plan!

Thanks so much!

xoxo,
nina

JW,

lmao! Yeah huh? It sure is!

xoxo,
nina

Y’know. I just love it when someone can come along and outspend both parties combined.

Go Mike.

And the tune today is . . . .
Lemon Jelly’s ‘68 Aka Only Time.

And a couple of jokes . . . .
***********
One night, George W. Bush is tossing restlessly in his White House bed. He awakens to see George Washington standing by him. Bush asks him, “George, what’s the best thing I can do to help the country?”

“Set an honest and honorable example, just as I did,” Washington advises, and then fades away.

The next night, Bush is astir again, and sees the ghost of Thomas Jefferson moving through the darkened bedroom. Bush calls out, “Tom, please! What is the best thing I can do to help the country?”

“Respect the Constitution, as I did,” Jefferson advises, and dims from sight…………….

The third night sleep still does not come for Bush. He awakens to see the ghost of FDR hovering over his bed. Bush whispers, ” Franklin , What is the best thing I can do to help the country?”

“Help the less fortunate, just as I did,” FDR replies and fades into the mist……………………

Bush isn’t sleeping well the fourth night when he sees another figure moving in the shadows. It is the ghost of Abraham Lincoln. Bush pleads, “Abe, what is the best thing I can do right now to help the country?”

Lincoln replies, “Go and see a play.”

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“To My Dear Wife,
You will surely understand that I have certain needs that you, being 54 years old, can no longer satisfy. I am very happy with you and I value you as a good wife. Therefore after reading this letter, I hope that you will not wrongly interpret the fact that I will be spending the evening with my 18 year old secretary at the Comfort Inn Hotel. Please don’t be upset - I shall be back home before midnight.”

When the man came home late that night, he found the following letter on the dining room table:

“My Dear Husband,
I received your letter and thank you for your honesty about my being 54 years old. I would like to take this opportunity to remind you that you are also 54 years old. As you know , I am a math teacher at our local college. I would like to inform you that while you read this, I will be at the Hotel Fiesta with Michael, one of my students, who is also the assistant tennis coach. He is young, virile, and like your secretary, is 18 years old.

As a successful businessman who has an excellent knowledge of Math, you will understand that we are in the same situation, although with one small difference:
18 goes into 54 a lot more times than 54 goes into 18. Therefore, I will not
be back home until sometime tomorrow.”

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JW,

Well, this kind of interests me. I would love to see a ‘real independent’ candidate run and actually win the whole thing. It would break the lock that party politics has on our government. I know he’s currently a republican, but then again so is Rudy, and Rudy is more like a moderate/conservative Democrat than a pug.

This could be interesting!

xoxo,
nina

JW,

Wow! Love the music! I just checked it out with the sampler! I’ll have to put this on my list to get soon! Very cool!

lmao! Love the jokes too sweetie! :biggrin:

You do know how to make me smile!

xoxo,
nina

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