Thoughts on Monogamy


“A man may pay his mistress with money, gifts, or even his seed… but never with love. Love is reserved for only his wife.” - Japanese Proverb

Every so often our perceptions and opinions on human pair bonding and monogamy are tested by either a very public scandal or an intimately personal tragedy, but no matter how the complicated issue of infidelity touches our lives, the outcome seems to be the same; some people line up on one side of the argument and decry the philandering prick, (or lying ass bitch), while others have a different take and simply say, ‘humans were never meant to be monogamous anyway, what’s the problem?’ — still bringing us no closer to understanding that there is a middle ground here, and much of determining where that middle ground lays depends as much upon your own cultural mores as it does human biology.

As I wrote here, three recent posts I’d read had served to inspire some of these thoughts, but I’ll confess that I’ve been mulling this over ever since Eliot Spitzer got busted with an expensive call girl – tho I was hesitant to write about the topic then because the news media was too busy going into hysterics, as they always do, when public figures — Good lord No! What about the children! — are revealed to have the same weaknesses as the rest of us, but perhaps the real lesson here is that our sexuality, despite our best efforts, is still the most misunderstood aspect of our personalities.

We all understand, hopefully, that sex is a basic human need. Where it goes from there is as confusing a labyrinth to unravel as any Gordian Knot, but focusing only on monogamy and the expectations of monogamy most of us have from our significant relationships is what I’d like to explore, as well as some of the variables… well, yes, the variables – because human beings rarely deal in absolutes.

Of all western cultures, Americans tend to be the most uptight about sex; much of this having to do with our puritanical religious foundations and the surreptitious relationship between church and state which has ingrained a moral code amongst this country’s citizens which demonizes sexuality and which basically treats any sex which happens outside of marriage and for any reason other than procreation as a sin. We like to kid ourselves here in the United States and pretend that we’re a sexually open culture, but we’re really not. Laws against prostitution serve no legitimate purpose other than as a means to control. Not that I advocate prostitution as a lifestyle choice, but it would certainly be hypocritical to condemn it when our society is littered with those who prostitute themselves in other ways just to get ahead – at least the woman selling her sexuality is a bit more honest about the way things really are, isn’t she?

Prostitution is called ‘the oldest profession’, why, I have no idea. I think it sounds a bit cliché, but perhaps it’s because it serves to explain the real nature of man — that he’s simply an animal who finds himself compelled beyond reasons which he can’t control or understand to constantly compete for female sexual energy, and he is willing to do anything, or pay any amount to satisfy that need.

Female sexual energy is the most powerful force in the universe, and as we grow from girls to women, we begin to understand this as our bodies start to change and we notice the power this gives us over men – and no matter who you are, every woman has used this to her advantage at one time or another, and every man has fallen for it too.

Much of these attitudes towards monogamy and infidelity do however depend on the culture in which you find yourself living; Europeans have a much more lazie faire attitude towards a spouse with a mistress or lover, and it’s pretty much understood that as long as you’re discreet and your spouse doesn’t find out, it isn’t going to land you on the six o’clock news. In Japan, many married men will take a mistress, especially after his wife has borne children, and equally so, many married women will also take a lover. The idea that sex is for sex, and choosing a sexual partner outside of a married union isn’t the revolting idea that it seems to be here in the United States… as long as he doesn’t pay her in love, which seems to be the all around deal-breaker no matter where you live.

What’s also interesting is that I’ve had many friends who have either worked as escorts, or courtesans, and many have found such a life to be completely rewarding. It’s seen as a means to an end, where they can earn large sums of money, travel the world with well heeled gentlemen, and live a full life of unexpected freedom. Tho not all women are so lucky. Many women are exploited by men, or tied to an agency which demands huge percentages of their income and all of their time, offering little in return, and then there’s the streetwalker who convinces herself that it’s a privileged to pay her pimp the money she earns from selling her body — so I think who you are before you decide on such a life factors into what kind of experience you’ll have once you get there.

On the other side of the professional side of things is the geisha. The biggest misconception is that geisha is just another name for prostitute. Nothing could be further from the truth. Sadly, some pop-culture movies and ideas have circulated into the consciousness which has portrayed geisha as nothing more than overdressed courtesans. The truth is that being a geisha is considered an honor in Japan. It takes years of training and discipline, and a geisha’s most sought after skill is not in the bedroom, but in conversation. Geisha are expected to be able to hold their own in conversation on topics as wide as current events to politics to sports – and men pay for this. They pay to be in the company of a beautiful fantasy, a living work of art, who can stimulate their senses with her charms in dance, music, service, and yes, in conversation. Stupid women don’t become geisha in Japan.

I’ve also known couples who have tried to have an open-marriage or have tried swinging as a way of life. Perhaps I’m a little conservative on this issue because I think it’s a recipe for disaster. I just don’t believe that we’re wired to share our partners in such an open and explicit way, despite what people tell themselves. And not to be the hypocrite, because I’ve brought my girlfriend into my bedroom, I’ve become much more aware that this isn’t a good long term situation, for any of us. What’s also interesting for me now is how my husband and I have come to define this aspect of our life – he has no problem with my being with Lisa as long as it goes no further than that, which is all I ever really wanted in the first place.

But like all things, nature is about balance, and this simple truth affects all of us; beauty is agony. The price of beauty means that we will suffer, and we endure this suffering willingly because that is what it means to be female in this world – and perhaps when we understand that these forces are larger than ourselves, we won’t become so hysterical the next time some public figure gets caught with his pants down.

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Nina,

I have many friends who live a polyamorous lifestyle, either each having a partner/multiple partners or sharing them (along with many other variations).

It seems to be a more acceptable choice within the BDSM scene, and as such I have seen both sucessful and unsucessful attempts by those around me who choose to live this way.

I had thoughts about it some time ago, as I find myself craving a relationship with a woman yet would not wish to lose the wonderful man in my life.

As such I found jealousy is too much of an issue currently (on my part) so like you I am free to explore with women or a woman. Yet, I have no wish to see my partner share in that or to find love/sex or a deep connection with another.

Hope I haven’t gone off topic or rambled too much.

Pegxx

Pegxx,

No, you haven’t rambled or gone off topic at all! Quite the opposite actually.

What’s interesting is that I’ve been having similar conversations about the ‘polyamorous lifestyle’ with a couple of different friends, concurrently! So, this is right on topic. Similarly, I’ve also been having conversations with friends about how this relates to bdsm as well, so you’re right on time.

I too have seen many people attempt to have a polyamorous lifestyle — and some have had limited success, while others have run into disaster. From my perspective, I’m not completely convinced that it ever works in reality. I think a lot of people compromise and go along with things they’d rather not do, if only to keep the status-quo. I guess I just don’t think we’re (meaning women) are wired that way. We tend to bond, in my opinion, with our lover, and I think we find comfort in that steady bond. Like it or not, I think we’re wired to nest, and while we may be able to experiment and live outside the lines for a while, ultimately I don’t think it gives us what we’re really looking for.

The curious thing is my relationship with Lisa, which has taken a number of different turns and has evolved over time. I too dealt with jealousy when the three of us got together, even tho I wanted that to happen at the time, but it wasn’t easy to deal with. When you’re in the heat of the moment, it’s easy to overlook that, but when you come down, you have to deal with reality and your feelings.

The way it is now, my relationship with Lisa exists outside of my marriage, and I consider it a gift. Having a relationship with another woman is entirely different than taking another man as a lover. I’ve written quite a bit about how having an intimate relationship with another woman is better for our overall sexual health and happiness than many of the other things we often search out.

But, back to basics… I think we have to understand that as human beings, we’re imperfect creatures, and we often act on desires in order to fill a need, and I think each of us has to define what those needs are to our partners and be honest about those things. It’s ultimately unfair for a man or a woman who has been in any kind of long term relationship to all of a sudden change the rules mid game and expect that your partner is going to just happily go along with whatever it is you want. All things need balance and it’s a two way street.

And yes, we’re possessive about those we share ourselves with, why shouldn’t we be? How can we be expected to reveal our most private selves if we’re always wondering what it all means to the person we’re with?

But my final thought for the moment, regarding the world of arranged intimacy, I think we need to get past the hysterical point and realize that these things are always much deeper than what they appear to be. Sex is only one part of intimacy, and we should always be careful about how and who we judge, and we learn more and gain a better understanding of ourselves and others when we realize that they’re no different than any of us.

Thanks! ;)

nina

“Female sexual energy is the most powerful force in the universe…”

Truer words have never been spoken.

A timely post, if ever there was one, Nina! ;-)

I think the concept of monogamy has less intrinsic importance to those of today’s younger generation, for a variety of reasons. The very nature of sexuality is changing, in fact, especially among young people.

Hi Caitiebelle!

Oh yes… I think so. If you think about our evolution, males have always pursued the female of the species! And we play right into it too! Of course, of course! Who doesn’t like male attention? :lol:

We really haven’t changed all that much since we climbed down out of the trees!

And yes, a very timely post I think, too. :razz:

Well, I’m not sure that I completely agree with you on the concept of monogamy changing. However, what I think has changed is the idea that women can own their sexuality and be free to explore our sexuality in a more open environment. The idea that women have orgasms, or might actually want to get laid isn’t the foreign idea it once was… but underneath it all I think we still want the same things as we ever did, maybe we just go about getting there in different ways now.

Young people, especially younger women, have an advantage now because of the freedoms we’ve fought for. But, I think this has also had adverse consequences as well. I mean, just because a woman can have a “fuck-buddy” doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s the best situation for her.

In some ways I think the sexual freedom we’ve earned gave rise to this idea of ’slut-chic’ where we tossed away all good sense and traded it in for pure experience, just because we could — and after watching the boys have all the fun, we wanted to level the playing field. In some ways this was good, in others, not so much. I’m a big believer in “all things in moderation”, but then again, I’ve over 30… so who knows if I know what the hell I’m talking about! You may see things from an entirely different perspective than I do.

What’s also interesting is that I’ve been having an on-going conversation with a friend about oxytocin and how it affects a woman’s instinct to bond, and how and why we form intimate attachments with our lovers. Those things haven’t changed, even tho how we approach relationships may have.

Another idea is that as we’ve grown more equal in society and have broken down many barriers, it isn’t unreasonable anymore for a woman to decide that she doesn’t want to follow the typical plan — you know, get married, push out a bunch of kids and stay home. And that’s a good thing for us I think, to at least have the optionthe choice… but even still, I believe most of us on some level really want that in some form, and yes, I still think we want and expect our partners to be monogamous when we enter those relationships.

Women build nests… that’s who we are, and I think we expect our mate to stay in that nest with us too.

Sex is still sex… it isn’t the nature that’s changed, but rather the role it plays in our lives which has evolved.

Thanks hon! ;)

nina

Hi Sweetie-

Nice post. Of course, as you know and we’ve discussed, the whole FemDom cuckolding thing is one aspect of this topic.

Some of your other readers have touched on polyamory in a bdsm or FemDom setting, and it is, of course, one facet of this topic.

But cuckoldry is something even a little different, as it combines power transfer and poly, or not, depending upon the whims of the Mistress/Cuckoldress.

One thing that occurred to me as I read your readers’ comments and your response is the notion of what are ’successful’ and/or ‘unsuccessful’ examples of any of these non-monogamous situations.

How does one define success in polyamory or cuckoldry?

Is it a function of time? Feelings? On whose part?

I have now begun outlining that second ‘oxytocin-cuckolding’ post which you urged me to consider writing.

xoxox
-saratoga

saratoga,

Thanks so much for your input on this topic — there are certainly many lenses by which we can view this issue, and certainly bdsm and other fetish play is one of them, tho I think in that world there often seems to be a different set of rules by which people use to govern their behavior — tho it’s certainly not off topic by any means at all.

“How does one define success in polyamory or cuckoldry?”

Interesting question, tho I’m not sure that I’m the best to answer it only because ‘cuckolding’ is so far out of my sphere of experience. Tho after I get past my initial ‘ick factor’… I do have some thoughts on that topic which may be relevant.

From my observation, and again, not speaking from any kind of practical experience — I cannot comprehend where the pleasure is derived by/for a man from watching his wife/gf/lover having sex with another man, or, by simply being aware that she is, or, in knowing that she intends to have sex with another man. I know that there are some pretty exclusive terms in the bdsm world to describe these types of scenes or arrangements, and from your sphere of view, that being a Femdom situation, I imagine the idea is to derive gratification from humiliation - which on a sexual level is something I can fathom and relate with to a degree. I mean, I “get” the concept.

However, I think cuckolding itself is fraught with dangers to any primary relationship, which people never seem to think thru, or, maybe they do and that’s part of the rush? The idea that you could lose your lover to another man? I’m not a man so I can’t get my head there to understand the attraction, or do men in a Femdom or similar situation just not have a choice in the matter? And from my perspective, I would not derive gratification from humiliating my husband in that way, and I’m not one of those women who subscribes to the “hot-wife” mentality either. Personally, I think that’s just an excuse to define bad judgement and incredibly selfish choices & behavior.

As we did discuss privately the other day, whenever I hear the term ‘cuckold’ I always think back to the movie American Gigolo where the husband hires Richard Gere to come fuck his wife while he watches… and it ends badly! While perhaps it isn’t the best analogy, it’s what pops into my mind - (along with the incredibly hot scene of Richard Gere getting dressed to Smoky Robinson’s “The love I saw in you was just a mirage” - purrrr!!)

Although, on further thought… there’s certainly a very healthy fantasy aspect in which couples explore these ideas together in a safe and controlled way - meaning with dildos, props, pillow-talk, etc… without actually bringing another human being into the bedroom, and that’s something I most definitely ‘get’. I think couples wander into the danger area, as so many often do, when they try to convert their private bedroom fantasies into real life experience. Some fantasies should remain fantasies, kwim?

Your other question:

“One thing that occurred to me as I read your readers’ comments and your response is the notion of what are ’successful’ and/or ‘unsuccessful’ examples of any of these non-monogamous situations.”

You know, even the term “successful” is so hard to define here. Perhaps any relationship which doesn’t self-destruct after an incident of infidelity, or one which manages somehow to muddle thru an open-marriage arrangement? I really don’t have a good answer for that one, perhaps because such situations don’t register for me as making sense to begin with? I don’t know how any relationship survives if neither partner is expected to maintain fidelity and is free to simply sleep with whomever they choose. Tho, I’m always open to listening to others’ opinions and thoughts on that one.

But, my last thought of the moment, has to do with our concurrent conversations about oxytocin and how it impacts all of these ideas and points of view.

When women are intimate, especially with a man, the release of the ‘brain chemical/hormone’ oxytocin is a real and measurable cause/effect phenomenon. We bond with our lovers in this way, and as we’re repeatedly intimate with our partners, the bond strengthens.

That perhaps is the strongest argument for monogamy - that we are indeed wired that way, and anything which occurs outside of that established bond, in my opinion, runs the risk of destroying it, so maybe it’s better to not play with fire?

Tho geishaland is an open minded place! So who am I to tell anyone what they should or shouldn’t do? I just try to examine the realities of these very basic instincts and try every now and then to make some sense of it all!

Thanks hon! ;)

nina

Nina-

Very good and thoughtful ideas all in your reply to my comments.

I think the post I’m outlining now will provide some really fresh ideas about FemDom cuckolding, if not polyamory.

For starters, tho, your question as to whether or not the male submissive has a choice is, for me, a very key attribute of the context.

Some do, and that is where the ‘pillow talk’ version can occur. One blog to which I link gave me material for this post on fluffing the male bull… here.

Suffice to say, there’s a lot more room for development in these complex, interesting and related topics- polyamory, cuckoldry, bonding, and oxytocin.

xoxox
-saratoga

saratoga,

Well, clearly your perspective on all of these issues is seen thru the lens of your own perspective: Femdom.

And while I appreciate the context by which you write and the insights you offer… to the larger extent of where my perspective resides — it’s much more ensconced in the ideas of how women feel in these situations of relationship stability and expectations from those relationships — not so much about the ins/outs of bdsm & cuckoldry.

I certainly respect your point of view, and where your particular ‘fetish’ comes into play with relation to the ideas of monogamy and fidelity… but I’m just not so sure I think ‘cleanup and duty fluffing’ is what I’m looking for here!

But, you know I always appreciate your twisted point of view on things hon. :lol:

Thanks,

nina

Hi Sweet Nina! :)
Wow you touch on some topics I have been heavily thinking about alot! Is there some major communitive cosmic energy? lol!
You really set my heart at peacful ease. You are right, it is very complex issues and to judge it so quickly serves no help to bring any balance to the topics at hand. I agree about the nesting in women and the stong desire in men to be around female energy. You know it took me a while to realize how powerful female energy is. It is even intoxicating for me to be aroung the right kind of femenine energy.
Please have a wonderful day!
Love,
Steffy

Nina-

I was just trying to clarify some of the aspects of FemDom cuckolding about which you asked.

xoxox

-saratoga

Hello Steffy!

Well these cosmic forces are larger than all of us! But that’s okay… that’s how it’s supposed to be! :lol:

Getting in touch with your feminine energy and understanding that your power flows from that place inside you sounds so easy, but it’s often the hardest thing for many of us to do and incorporate into our lives.

I think life in the last 30 years or so has tried to unwire us in so many ways by constantly trying to push us up against those glass ceilings — and while much of this was needed, because we should be treated equally in all areas of life — we also need to remember that we’re different. We’re not men. So why are we often expected to act like men and are criticized for acting like women? In many ways I think we’re the round pegs that the world keeps trying to shove into its square holes.

We’ve been getting conflicting messages from society for years, and quite frankly I think it’s left a whole bunch of us confused about who we’re supposed to be! But when we simply let all of that go and give ourselves permission to just be who we’re meant to be, everything else begins to flow according to the way nature intended. I think, even on a subconscious level, we’ve been trained to fight that and have been conditioned to hide and be ashamed of our femininity, unless of course it’s serving the needs of a man, but then it’s okay, right? So, you see, we need to take control of our own selves first before we’re any good to anyone else.

Yes, relationships are complicated, but I think ultimately the same rules apply. But for some reason we keep trying to reinvent the wheel when the old one worked just fine!

Thanks sweetie!

nina

saratoga,

Yes, I know hon, and I do appreciate that, as I’ve expressed to you.

But maybe we should leave ‘cleanup and duty fluffing’ over on your side of the street? :razz:

nina

Nina,

Having spent considerable time in Japan, I know well the respect afforded Geisha. It’s a far cry from the disdain with which we look upon escorts and prostitutes here in the US. Even the men who pay for time with Geisha are treated as esteemed gentlemen, making their activities not only tolerated, but admired.

But I don’t live in Japan, and neither does Eliot Spitzer, and I’m not talking about women who posess the skills and grace of the Geisha. I’m talking about hookers who, for an extra $50 will let a john have unprotected sex sending God knows what home to the little missus.

We shouldn’t have to wonder or worry what our spouses are up to when they’re away from us. I don’t know anyone in this country who was forced to marry. If people (men) want to screw around, it’s simple; stay single and play the field.

I for one took my marriage vows very seriously. Could I forgive my husband if he dallied with a call girl? I honestly don’t know. But why should I even be put in the position of having to decide?

Great post as always Nina!!

Lola

Hi Lola!

Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts with me, and thank you again for being in part inspiration for me to write this! I love those organic moments of serendipity out here in cyberia! :lol:

Oh wow! May I ask about your experiences in Japan? I’d love to hear about them sometime, and you’re quite right about how geisha are treated/perceived there.

On my last trip to Japan, about four years ago now, I visited Kyoto and met several working geisha. One woman I met was fabulous. She has a masters degree in economics, but decided to become a geisha because of the money she could earn, and she was already doing very well, (I believe she worked for Mitsubishi Heavy Industries prior), but now earns a six-figure income from doing parties.

We’re likely going back this autumn — I like to get to Japan at least every few years, but it’s an expensive trip to make.

Tho, as I eluded to in my piece, the work which goes into it, meaning the “beauty and suffering factor” is a grind. She has to pay to get her hair done, special makeup (very expensive because you don’t want the cheap stuff because it’ll destroy your skin), workouts at the gym, always refining her skills/learning new ones, pays a guy to come and dress her in her kimono every night, has to buy many kimono (which cost a fortune - anywhere from 10k - 20k US each), and everything else which goes along with being a woman — so it’s a lot of work! But, she also said that her parents are incredibly proud of her too - as many parents of geisha in Japan are. So, thanks for reinforcing my points about how geisha have been characterized by American pop-culture and a lot of myths. Maiko do not sell their virginity to the highest bidder! Nor do geisha sleep with clients! good lord… ugh!!! Grr!!!

But, to your other points –

I completely understand and agree with you regarding your sentiments about hookers who engage in risky practices, but I think a man having a fling or extra-marital affair is taking a bigger risk than the one who sees a prostitute. In those ‘fling’ situations, there’s usually other emotional factors which contribute to people taking chances — hookers generally just want to get it over with as quickly as possible, and don’t usually take those kinds of risks under any circumstances.

Women I have known who have worked as escorts, like the one who Eliot Spitzer was with, are usually charging a premium fee, have a classier appearance, and if you saw them on the street, you’d probably never guess how they earn a living. Those girls don’t take risks either. Courtesans can sometimes be, and often are, a little different, because they usually only have two or three exclusive clients who pay them very well. But even in those circumstances, those girls don’t take risks either - no matter how much money the guy has or offers. What you’re describing I think is the “sum of all fears” that any wife has, and I think you’re describing the ‘crack-whore’ here, not professional sex workers. Most women who are sex workers know better and the risks of having unprotected sex are just way too high, and it just doesn’t happen.

And again, I think a woman is at bigger risk of catching something nasty if her man were fooling around with a girl in his office rather than seeing a professional.

But seriously, I’m married too - and I expect my husband to honor and respect me, and yes, I expect and demand fidelity. Tho, my situation has been a little more colorful… but, still, I have expectations and yes, they are met.

And no, I don’t think you, or any of us, should ever be in that position to decide. It’s terribly unfair when a man (or woman) cheats on any level. Tho I’ve often found that men will cheat for sex… women usually cheat for love. But if we’re at that point, the marriage is over anyway I think.

Thanks again!

nina

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