Thanks for the big fat piece of cheese right over the plate. I feel like Manny Ramirez with heels right about now.

“Christians do not fear science, some of the greatest scientist where Christians, Galileo, Kelven, Johann Kepler, Sir Issac Newton, Blaise Pascal and Michale Faraday.”

And they were called heretics and denounced by the church.

“Albert Einstein though not a Christian was a creationist.”

Think so?

In 1929, Einstein told Rabbi Herbert S. Goldstein “I believe in Spinoza’s God, who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.”

In a 1950 letter to M. Berkowitz, Einstein stated that “My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment.”

Source: Wikipedia

Please check your facts and tell the whole story next time.

“I can with equal conviction declare that evolution is not science but a religious doctrine.”

And you would be wrong, but don’t let that get in your way. Personal beliefs work like that — they don’t necessarily require that they be based in fact, but it’s nice when they are.

“Humans by nature are intolerant people so why should Christians be any different?”

Well, that’s your first mistake. Human beings are not intolerant by nature — societies are intolerant, groups are intolerant, organized religions are intolerant.

And please don’t make suppositions and assumptions about me or what my beliefs are, especially with regard to politics. Disagreement and intolerance are not the same thing.

“I don’t have a enough faith to believe that the universe in all of its intricate complexity is just a fluke.”

Neither do I, and I never suggested that. I simply don’t subscribe to the judeo-christian theology which ignores fact in favor of fables. And as they put it in the proverbial nutshell: issues of faith belong in the home and the church, not in the public schools. Evolution is accepted, fact based science. Which is why we teach it to our children.

nina

Why do teachers ask their student questions, don’t they already know the answer? Teachers asks questions to get their class to think.

I can with equal conviction declare that evolution is not science but a religious doctrine. I don’t have a enough faith to believe that the universe in all of its intricate complexity is just a fluke.

Christians do not fear science, some of the greatest scientist where Christians, Galileo, Kelven, Johann Kepler, Sir Issac Newton, Blaise Pascal and Michale Faraday. Albert Einstein though not a Christian was a creationist. If you were to go to the web site I mentioned in my previous post you can read the writings of several Christian scientists.

Humans by nature are intolerant people so why should Christians be any different? I can share with you that this Christian recognizes his intolerance and is prayerfully working to change it. I bet that if you look hard enough you can find where your’s lie. (hint: think Hillary).

Hmmm, interesting question. Tho I’d ask you: why would the all knowing, all forgiving, all understanding invisible daddy figure in the sky need to ask me anything?

Sorry, arguments promoting creationism and intelligent design are used as a dodge to further a religious agenda. Evolution is science.

Tho why do people who follow organized religions, especially christianity, fear science so much?

nina

btw: I’m a Buddhist. And not that it matters, but christians tend to be the most intolerant of all the world’s organized religions.

Please let me ask you a rhetorical question. It is a question that I hope you and every evolutionist will diligently consider. If it turns out there is a creator god, what are you planning on to tell him when he ask you, “Why did you reject me?” This link may be of some help to you http://www.icr.org/.

Andy

Oh sure, that’s what cracks me up! Science has proved how old the planet it, and has unraveled so much about our evolutionary track that it’s incredulous to me that the creationists continue to push the idea that the world is only a few thousand years old. Simply staggering ignorance!

Yeah, Maine is quickly becoming known as the second Kansas! :lol:

nina

I think one of the best things (although, not a ‘thing’ but a human) that came out of Maine is Stephen King.

Oh sure — those old guys on our money were not the religious nut cases the modern evangelicals make them out to be. So yes, we are in good company!

Oingo Boingo huh? Hmmmm, never really got into them. I’ve been listening to Oysterhead today. ;)

nina

Oh I agree — religious zealots who think they know what’s best for everyone else are an exceptionally dangerous sort.

:lol: Well — what struck me about the Bonobo was their practice of tribadism among the females. See? Even the female bonobos know that a little girl-girl love is good for them!

nina

We’re pretty much in good company in what we believe. I know, they’re some old guys, but . . . ;)

I have MUCHO music on the way to my humble abode this week and next, but while I wait, I shall listen to some Oingo Boingo “Dead Man’s Party”. They’re cool. ;)

In other news, I think they should start calling the Bonobo monkey “the Scorpio monkey”, but that’s just me. ;-)

:lol: Thanks! — Yeah, I did pretty good with that one huh? lmao!

Mwah!

nina

lmao! That cartoon does say it all doesn’t it? :lol:

The picture too — but I suppose that’s why they call it faith I guess. :???:

As long as they keep it to themselves I’m happy to leave them alone. It’s when they start wanting to cart their symbols into courtrooms and bring their insane ideas into classrooms which are supposed to serve everyone’s children that I start to get annoyed with them.

More irony? We wage war against muslims and call them islamo-fascists, while ignoring the home grown christian-fascists right here in this country. Organized religion is always dangerous in my opinion.

Whenever people allow the group to usurp individual thought and free will, someone usually winds up holding an automatic weapon or a copy of Dianetics. :razz:

(shudders)

nina

Oh that’s fabulous — Darwin is essential reading in my opinion, tho the problem here with American public schools is that while evolution is the standard prevailing lesson plan and is in the science curriculum, not enough time is spent on Darwin himself, or his published works or his research — which I think is unfortunate.

This fight of creationism vs. evolution has only come up in a handful of US states and in an even smaller group of individual communities — but they’re a very vocal and obnoxious lot and what they represent is a dangerous slide into christian theocracy.

This is part of their new tactic — to try and paint evolution as an unprovable theory thereby bringing it down to the same level as creationism — but I ask: evolution is an unprovable theory as compared to what? The bible?? :lol:

If that isn’t irony I don’t know what is!

Thanks much!

nina

In the meanwhile….
I think this says it all.

As does this.