Church Sues Owner of PA Sex Shop: An Interview with Jill McDevitt


On the afternoon of June 2, 2008 — a skirmish in the culture war between those who believe in sexual empowerment and personal freedom versus the local West Chester, PA religious establishment, escalated into a full scale legal battle when Jill McDevitt, the owner of Feminique Boutique, an adult sex education/retail establishment in downtown West Chester, was served with legal documents informing her that she was being sued by the powerful St. Agnes Catholic Church and its spiritual leader Monsignor Edward Deliman.

Up until that Monday afternoon this had primarily been a debate waged within the community – with the church and parishioners arguing that such a shop was “corrupting the morals of children” on one side, and supporters of personal freedoms and the American entrepreneurial spirit on the other.  No longer just an ideological fight over whether or not people should be able to freely explore their sexuality in the privacy of their own homes and who would seek out educational and retail establishments like Feminique Boutique to help them do that, this latest escalation by Msgr. Edward Deliman is an assault upon the very foundations of American business and the very freedoms of choice we take for granted.

Jill McDevitt played by the rules; going before the West Chester zoning board and obtaining the proper business permits and licensing in order to open Feminique Boutique nearly one month ago – but now Monsignor Deliman is crying foul, claiming that he didn’t know about all this, and now he expects the rules to be changed in his favor – and he apparently thinks that if he makes enough noise about it, that maybe he’ll get his way and be able to chase McDevitt out of town if he gets his lawyers involved.

Diana versus Goliath, perhaps?

I first wrote about this story here last week, which generated dozens of comments from both sides of this fight – but the one voice missing was Jill’s.  I reached out to Jill because I felt it important for her voice to be fully heard, and what follows here is our conversation about this entire sad situation.

Nina Aoki: Why don’t you start just by bringing me up to date with what’s happened?  I understand that you’ve been served legal papers and that you’re being sued.  Can you tell me who is suing you and on what grounds?

Jill McDevitt: St. Agnes church is appealing the building permit that I was issued which gives me the right to operate a business in the borough of West Chester.  Their complaint is on the grounds that my shop is in violation of the “adult entertainment/adult book store” zoning ordinance.  Residents apparently have 30 days to appeal, and my permit was issued on March 31st 2008 — however the church claims that they didn’t know about their right to appeal until past the deadline, which is false because I had signs visibly posted before that date clearly stating what the business would be… and the Monsignor who is now leading this fight has been quoted in the papers as saying that he’s never actually been in my shop but that he knew that it was a “sex shop”… don’t ask me how.

Nina: That would be Monsignor Edward Deliman correct?

Jill: Yes

Nina: I’m a bit familiar with how public government works, and I would think that it would be fair to assume that the borough of West Chester has to publish their meetings and schedule in the local newspaper?  And one would logically conclude that your application would have been in that published record as well?  Is that a fair assumption?  I guess my question here is:  You followed the rules, correct?  And now the church wants to redress this issue by basically making a lot of noise and dragging you into court after the fact?

Jill: I definitely followed all the rules and went about it the same way as any other business would. I filed all my papers, and there was originally a roadblock with the borough at first because they thought that my shop fell in the category of adult entertainment as it is set out in the code… My attorney helped them see otherwise and we (me, my lawyer, zoning officer and borough solicitor) came to an agreement of how I could operate… no nudity — The code describes adult entertainment essentially as a strip club… so, no live bodies for display to titillate…which I obviously do not do. Once that was set, I was issued my proper permits and opened shop. As far as I know, this is all public record. I don’t know if it was published.

Nina: Okay — well lets get some things clear for the record.  Does your store Feminique Boutique sell any materials (DVD, Books, Magazines) which would fall under the category of pornography?

Jill: Not at all.

Nina: So what exactly are you selling in your store, because from everything I’ve read and heard quoted, nothing in your store comes close to being considered an Adult Entertainment venue or a pornographic bookstore.

Jill: That’s exactly right. In the front of the store there’s a seating area with couches and coffee tables where I host private seminars on sexuality and relationships. There are two racks of lingerie, two shelves of games including “naughty dice”… foreplay card games, a box of fake scented rose petals and so on. There is one shelf of lubricants, one large case of various edible body products… edible massage lotion and the like. There is also a large case of massaging products, lotions, shaving cream, perfumes. On the counter with the register there are some samples….  up a step and through a door is a small table with some fur paddles, feathers, and satin eye masks. Hanging from the walls are some vibrators… on the other end of the counter I sell breast cancer fundraiser t-shirts that have two baseballs where the breasts would be and the words “save 2nd base” across the front, 50% of the proceeds are going to a local cancer charity… we will be getting more t-shirts soon.

Nina: This all sounds very vanilla to be quite honest with you.  And as I wrote in my original post, from everything I read it really sounded as tho everything in your store was pretty tame by comparison — I mean, it isn’t like walking into a Babeland or a Good Vibrations from what it sounds like!

Jill: Well I’ve never been to either of those retailers, but yes, it’s quite vanilla, to use your phrase… which is my intention.

Nina: So walking by your store, what would the casual passerby first notice?  What do people see?

Jill: People walking by see a Baby pink wooden facade with chocolate brown awning and shutters and pink and brown ribbons dangling over two small windows, of which are akin to what you would see on a cottage with the little square window panes about four feet from the sidewalk.

Nina: What other types of businesses are in your immediate vicinity?  From what I’ve read — the area has been described as one which gets a lot of walking traffic.

Jill: Its quite bustling for a small town. Across the street is a hair salon and coffee/tobacco shop. Next door is a pizza shop and knick knack store. The owners of all have been highly supportive throughout all of this.

Nina: In an article posted on philly.com — Msgr. Edward Deliman is quoted on the record as saying that he has never been in your shop, and yet, he has initiated legal action against you.  Is he/his church also suing the local government itself and you’re more or less just named in the complaint, or is this him vs. you?

Jill: It’s him versus me essentially, but the local government’s decision to issue the permit is what’s actually being challenged.

Nina: So one would think that the local government which issued a permit to operate this business would have to support you?  Are they?  And if not, what have they communicated to you if you can share that.  I understand that with this now becoming a legal case that you may be restrained in what you can or should say, but my question is: are they standing by their decision?

Jill: In the cover letter that the borough sent me alerting me to the appeal it said: “The Borough of West Chester will not legally defend the issuance of the permit. Therefore, you may wish to consult with an attorney to protect your rights”… I know that they’re supportive, but not “legally” I guess… and when I asked “why”… I was told that the borough would not spend taxpayers dollars to support a private business.

Nina: Let me quote directly from the philly.com article for a moment:  Shannon Royer, a Republican running for a state House seat in the 156th District, has spoken out against the shop on the campaign trail” — do you feel that you and your shop are being used here as red meat to forward individual political ambitions?

Jill: Before that article was written by Shannon I never heard of him before. Customers come in and tell me about him and that he apparently chose a “wedge issue” to rile people up since he lost by a handful of votes last time around. This is what I’ve been told, but I have no idea first hand what his ambitions are… although I do know he’s been pretty quiet about it since the media frenzy began… I have been sent emails from people in town who forwarded me letters they sent to Shannon,  and their feeling is that he is indeed using this to further his political career.

Nina: Unfortunately that’s very typical for members of his political party.  Like gay marriage became the wedge issue on a national level in the 2004 presidential race, it “appears” that you and your shop have become the local equivalent of that.  I realize that we cannot impute motives on others — but why do you feel that Msgr. Edward Deliman has such a problem with what you’re doing.

Jill: I wonder the same thing. The landlord of the property my shop is housed in once owned a video rental store in town with a “pornography” back room. He said he got about three upset letters in ten years. As a few of the news pieces remarked; a children’s candy store around the corner sells edible underwear and chocolate body toppings… just like I do, but they have received no threats or legal issues.  To walk from the church to my store one must pass several bars… and I’ve been told by a local shop owner that the reason that there was no complaints against those businesses was that the bars made a friendly monetary contribution to St. Agnes when opening…. I don’t know why I’m being targeted, other than maybe they think that I’m a little girl who they can push around and scare off.

Nina: That was very much my impression when I first heard this story — the little girl who they think they can push around part — News accounts have reported that you have a degree in human sexuality — can you talk about your educational background?  Your degree, disciplines, and career goals and how this all fits in with running your business?

Jill: I have a Bachelor of Arts in Sexuality, Marriage, and Family from the University of Waterloo which is in Ontario, Canada…  the US has no major undergraduate degree programs in human sexuality. Interestingly, as many large universities are made up of smaller colleges, schools, and departments; such is the case for UW.  My particular program (the sex, marriage, and family) was housed at St. Jerome’s University, a catholic school. Many of my larger human sexuality classes were held in the same room where Sunday Mass was held.

Nina: Just on face value alone — with a degree in human sexuality, marriage and family — it would seem that what you’re trying to do with your shop is to help couples, women, even men find ways to improve the sexual part of their marriage/relationship.  Is that a fair statement?

Jill: That in fact is quite close to my business philosophy. I offer over 25 workshop opportunities in the shop, tomorrow in fact I’m holding one called “marriage prep” — the description on my website reads:

“Have you ever thought about the fact that divorce courts are full of fools in love? Don’t be one of them! Learn the common problems that lead to divorce and how to avoid them, conflict resolution, successful communicating, and what you and your fiancé should know about each other before the wedding!”

… On Thursday I have a group of women signed up for the workshop to learn how they can talk to their children about sexuality.  I’m also getting my Masters of Education in human sexuality.

Nina: You and I seem so close in our personal philosophy on sexuality — and everything you’ve described to me here sounds so different than how those opposed to what you’re doing have tried to categorize it.  Some opponents to your shop have expressed to me some kind of idea that you’re simply encouraging an atmosphere of uninhibited, irresponsible, casual sex — and as I’m laughing here myself, I can only imagine how frustrating those descriptions must be to you as you go thru this.

Jill: It is frustrating but this is why I’m in this field… to educate people about sexuality… and the people who think that massage oil is somehow ’smut’ are obviously coming from a very fearful and shameful understanding of their sexuality and they’re the ones who need the education the most.

Nina: Oh I would completely agree with that statement.  Do you think or feel, and I’m asking for a straight out opinion here: do you think this opposition is really about the sex, or is it motivated out of a real fear many people have about their sex and sexuality?  Simply share your thoughts with me if you would be so kind.

Jill: I’m actually quite confused about it… and as so many people in various blogs and in comments to news articles have stated, “how many American malls have a Victoria’s Secret or a Spencer gifts… with their vibrators and crude bachelorette and gag gifts”… and people send their kids in there to roam around with no problem!  Here I am with the goal of empowering women to overcome the sexual repression they’ve faced over a lifetime, an educated professional, and I’m being labeled the porn purveyor who is destroying the morals of young people.  And the repression put out by St. Agnes that I’m somehow  “perverting sexuality”  — (this coming from someone who has never actually been in the boutique) — is so ironic…. Maybe if I was opening a Hooters in West Chester I wouldn’t have such a backlash.

Nina: Indeed.  And I couldn’t be any more supportive of those stated goals — and they are very much in line with what I do thru my journal, with reviewing sex toys and writing articles about female sexuality and encouraging real conversations about real sex — not the hyper-sexualized mis-characterizations of things like pornography.  One of their arguments seems to be that they don’t like your location — but that sounds like a hollow argument to me.  And in just sharing my own views for a moment, I think much of this speaks to where religion itself exists as a means to control.  A sexually educated woman in any construct is a threat to that control.  But again, it’s hard to truly get inside the head of a man who makes judgments about things he doesn’t have the courage to go investigate for himself.

Jill: I’m trying not to get wrapped up into the religion and the politics because that’s what they want. I’ve just been minding my own business and following my business philosophy, which is stated on my website and hangs from the plaques on the shop walls… and pictures of the shop are on my website so people can see for themselves how cute and innocent it really is.

Nina: That’s a great answer and a great position to take, quite frankly… So, when is your hearing and is that hearing before the local court?  Or what venue will your case be heard in?

Jill: It will be before the Zoning Hearing Board on either July 7 or fourteenth, the date has not been set yet. It is a public hearing… and when I received the notice at about 3:30 this afternoon, I wrote on the A-Board sign outside the shop that St Agnes was bringing me to court and to please show support for me.  By 8pm I had over 50 passersbys stop in to sign the petition and get on their soapbox about their feelings on the matter.  Community support has been unbelievable… but I worry though because the Church has unlimited means to appeal this through the court systems to the nth degree… which I do not.

Nina: That’s fantastic about the support.  How can I or my readers help?  Do you have legal representation?  Do you need assistance with that?

Jill: I’m hoping to get a pro-bono civil rights lawyer who like most reasonable minded people… is fed up with the church and the politicians in their bedroom.

Nina: Well I will certainly do everything in my power to help.  Either by raising awareness or by organizing help for you thru my journal.

Jill: I really appreciate your support. It’s nice to know there are people that “get it” out there.

  • You can visit Jill’s website for Feminique Boutique online here.

It’s hard for me to understand what motivates people like Monsignor Edward Deliman to pick this battle.  I do not know the man so I will not attempt to guess his reasons.  Considering everything that Jill has shared with me, I think she’s in for a real fight – but for anyone who doesn’t think that what’s happening to Jill McDevitt doesn’t affect them, you’d be wrong – it affects all of us.

Jill McDevitt is a 22 year old woman who followed the rules, who has broken no laws, and who is simply one woman trying to make her way in this world.  It would be a grave injustice and gross abuse of power should her detractors prevail against her.  I am personally committed to helping Jill win this fight in any way that I possibly can.

Update — June 7th — Saint Agnes has dropped its legal action against Jill McDevitt.  More here!

Update — June 5th — If you’d like to donate to Jill’s Legal Defense

Feminique Boutique Legal Fund Account
Commerce Bank
200 N. Radnor Chester Road
Radnor, PA 19087

A great local Editorial about this issue appears here!

For more on the discussion of where sex, religion and power intersect — click here!


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The fact that the good Monsignor hasn’t even been in the store reflects the fact that he’s more concerned with control than the fact that anything she’s doing might be in the “adult” arena.

Excellent interview, btw.

If she does end up having to fight a legal battle, I’ll send her some money myself.

It’s interesting how people in PA want Rome to call the shots on how they govern themselves, and what they see and think and do.

West Chester is being governed by the Vatican.

Amazed and not amused.

Caitlain,

I agree — we can only hope that the zoning board follows its own rules and that reasonable heads prevail. What I find truly glaring with this entire situation is not just the fact that the good Monsignor hasn’t been in the store, but I doubt anyone opposed to it has either!

Jill was very clear with me in our interview — she did everything she was supposed to do. She followed every rule, she made every effort to “get along” with her neighbors, and she made it quite clear what she intended to do before she actually went and did it.

That this guy thinks he can somehow get preferential treatment because he’s a Catholic priest is grossly unfair and unjust.

We can only hope that the West Chester zoning board has the wisdom to recognize that they’re being manipulated by a man ginning up religious based fervor.

I wonder what would have happened if Jill had said, “Hey Padre, here’s a little something for the bake sale.”

nina

Lazy Ichi,

What I find amazing, and quite sad actually, isn’t so much about the people of PA being governed by Rome, but that they’re actually going along with this. The Catholic Church has suffered a number of well deserved black eyes in the last few years — one wonders what the real motivation for this legal challenge really is.

Somehow, I think Jill’s perception of feeling that she’s seen as a little girl who can be bullied and pushed around by a powerful man is accurate — this is all about power and control. And it always amazes me just how much control over their lives people who belong to organized religions are truly willing to give up.

Where’s the line in the sand, you know? What’s next? What will be the next business to be targeted by this guy?

This is nothing but extortion hiding behind the skirts of men with hats.

nina

It’s insane. Here you have a young woman, who is educated, and following all the rules, rules that are apparently easily abandoned by a council (the church shouldn’t have a right in this case, it wouldn’t have any rights where I live - the municipal councils have the right, and in this situation, they wouldn’t issue a license or if they do - and they do, there are currently two adult stores in my little burb - they don’t budge for churches or church groups), and she is picked on by a religious group, has to find an attorney, and if she can’t find an attorney, or afford one (hypothetically), then she’d be stuck. It goes against female autonomy, individual rights, and free enterprise.

Good interview Nina, you know this story (your interview) should be sent to the mass media within that state, then this church would have to openly discuss their concerns and face a wider audience, to account for their ‘Inquisition.’

Anastasia,

Thanks so much for sharing this with me — and you’re exactly right here; the church should have no rights at this point. If they had a serious objection to this, they had a right to appeal the zoning board’s decision within the appropriate time frame (as absurd as that is to begin with) — but now the window is closed and they’re basically trying to bully Jill with lawyers and their enormous resources.

I’m considering ways in which we could help her with legal expenses — any ideas here are welcome.

Well, a lot of eyes saw my original post on this story — I’d be curious to see if this one generates nearly as much attention. I think it should. I think this story needs a bright white spotlight put right on it.

Thanks!

nina

This is just insane. I learned about Feminique Boutique on the news a few days ago, and decided to look online to see if Ms. McDevitt had a website, and this article came up in the search. I also have the FB website open in another tab, and I’m going to drop Ms. McDevitt an email of support. As you said, her website is really quite tame. I don’t have a problem with adult stores, anyway, but for the church to get all in a huff over this store is ridiculous.

If a person doesn’t like what Ms. McDevitt is selling, they don’t have to go into her store. What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is their business. She offers workshops to help relationships, sexuality, and even have discussions on topics such as censorship (maybe she should invite the Monsignor?), technology and the Internet, sexual victimization, and more. This is not your ordinary sex shop.

I also want to say to you, Ms. Aoki, that your article is wonderfully written.

Update 14:00

Lazy Geisha has asked candidate Shannon Royer’s campaign for a comment on this latest development.

Is this issue about culturally conservative family values, or is this about the American way and the right to pursue the American Dream in a nation of laws and rules? Laws and Rules which by my reporting, Jill McDevitt has followed. It’s also important to note — that there are six states in the United States where it is illegal to sell sex toys… Pennsylvania isn’t one of them.

nina aoki

SassyDevil,

Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts with me and for your support, and for your kind words for me.

This is a very basic issue at this point I think. We had a great discussion about how religion, politics, money and sex intersect on the other thread here; and you’re exactly right in what you’ve shared with me here:

No one is being forced to shop at Feminique Boutique. And based on all the pictures I’ve seen of her store, you can’t see anything which someone might feel was ‘questionable’ when they walk by.

So — you have to ask, what’s the problem?? What is this really all about?

It seems to me that the church has tried several circular arguments — none of which make very much sense. They can’t come out and say “we just don’t like it” because that’s not how our country works! So now they’re trying to call this an ‘Adult Entertainment / Adult bookstore’ in the hopes of swaying the zoning board — but that’s ridiculous — and according to Jill, she already had to clear that hurdle with the zoning board before she even opened her doors.

You’re right about this tho — this is not your ordinary sex shop! :lol:

Thanks so much,

nina

great post today;
your interview is quite “professional,”
your advocacy, admirable.

was curious about the saint for whom
the church in question is named - agnes.
turns out she, too, was a martyr
to the ruling religion of the day:
a young girl who choose the virginal sanctity
of early christianity (most probably
an attractive refuge for young women
in that day and age), rebuked the lecherous advances
of a roman prefect, and was subsequently
imprisoned, tortured, threatened with rape,
sexually humiliated in public, burned at the stake,
and eventually beheaded.
for her steadfastness in the face
of cruel peremptory roman patriarchy,
her fledgling community of believers
singled her out for sainthood and emulation

catholics might not read the story
in quite the same way, but it’s obvious, yet again,
that innocent young women are being forced
to pay a cruel price for articulating a choice -
especially in matters of sexuality and relationships -
when their choice stands against the ruling religious orthodoxy.

ms. mcdevitt might want to discretely add
a statue of saint agnes to her window display.
~

larokkaku,


great post today;
your interview is quite “professional,”
your advocacy, admirable.

Oh, I’ve still got a few tricks hidden under my skirt! :lol:

Don’t be fooled by my unrepentant irreverence and endearing flakiness! I’m a bare knuckles hardball journalist at heart! ;)

That irony of Saint Agnes is priceless. Funny how the universe knows exactly how and when to set these forces in motion — and I would imagine (especially after talking with Jill last night) that she does feel quite like the martyr here.

And that’s exactly how I see this too: An innocent young woman who is being forced to pay a cruel price for articulating her choice.

So sad that we keep repeating the same mistakes in this world, kwim? Empowering the angry mob rules mentality never serves humanity’s interests.

Thanks much,

nina

What was the reverend’s name from Porky’s that tried to shut down the shakespearian play? Bubba Flavour?? Sounds a little similar.The whole deal sounds down right scarry. Just in case there is any curiosity about the school Jill went to; University of Waterloo is one of Canada’s most respected engineering and math schools, one of the largest and most reputable in the country. I went to the Wilfrid Laurier University literally just down the road from U of W.

What was the reverend’s name from Porky’s that tried to shut down the shakespearian play? Bubba Flavour??

Remember the Principal of the high school when the righteous reverend and his “flock” came to the school to protest? He told Reverend Bubba to “get the flock out of here.” rofl

mark,

lmao! It was Porky’s II — Reverend Flavel “Bubba Flava” hahaha!

Oh thanks for the background! I had no real doubt of Jill’s credentials. This whole thing has simply become insanity for the masses.

Tho, after reading the latest comments on this thread here, I’m waiting for the following headline:

‘Bisexual Japanese/American Blogger Nina Aoki was burned at the stake today in West Chester, Pennsylvania by an angry mob of sexually frustrated Catholics chanting “Burn Geisha Bitch! Burn!”‘

And I was soooo looking forward to the day when I’d just be an old retired slut who talks to her cats and tells bedroom stories to wide eyed girls…

sighs…

nina

Caitie,

lmao! You hussy! :lol:

(ever feel like the lit match?)

ha!

xoxo,
nina

Great interview, Nina.

Sheesh, though… sheesh.

Lazy Editor,

Thanks so much — I really enjoyed having the opportunity to talk with Jill and get her views on this whole mess. She was funny but obviously tired, tho she was in good spirits, which says a lot about her I think.

As for me? I’m thrilled about This!

(anytime one of your posts is number one on google that’s cause for celebration!)

Thanks!

nina

I take umbrage at something said in this post. UMBRAGE, I SAY!

I will quote Lazy Ichi:

It’s interesting how people in PA want Rome to call the shots on how they govern themselves, and what they see and think and do.

End quote.

Speaking as a person born and raised in Pittsburgh, which is a city in the state of Pennsylvania, I hereby submit the following facts:

Pennsylvania is generally a ‘Blue’ state. As in, the Democrats usually win (caveat: that actually doesn’t really mean that much)

There are significant numbers of people who live in Pennsylvania who feel that this priest is a fucking idiot. Obviously I am one of them, but if I were to alert everyone on my LJ friendslist about this situation, I can think of maybe one or two who would even think of agreeing with The Right Reverend Dipshit McGee.

I understand it was a generalization, and I am willing to accept that there are many people in PA who match your assessment, but I wish to defend the people who do NOT match.

Let’s go Penguins!

Marty Klein has an interesting article on AlterNet this morning that kind of falls into this same kind of line of reasoning (though his addresses legislative attempts to restrict sexuality).

http://www.alternet.org/sex/87015/

Quick Update

Essential Reading!

The Myth Of Secondary Effects

More on this and why this is important here!

hapes,

There are significant numbers of people who live in Pennsylvania who feel that this priest is a fucking idiot. Obviously I am one of them, but if I were to alert everyone on my LJ friendslist about this situation, I can think of maybe one or two who would even think of agreeing with The Right Reverend Dipshit McGee.

I understand it was a generalization, and I am willing to accept that there are many people in PA who match your assessment, but I wish to defend the people who do NOT match.

Duly noted and well said and I’m sure Ichi did not mean to offend or suggest that the entire state of PA was as fucked up as these shallow gene pool swimming nutjobs.

If you check the other thread — I had one of them tell me that “knowledge is dangerous” this morning! I mean, how do you reason with someone who believes that? How can anyone possibly have a reasonable discussion with someone who is so afraid of what they don’t know and who simply refuses to even entertain the idea that they’re completely full of shit?

It certainly makes it difficult, kwim?

Penguins huh? Wow! Is everyone in PA a hockey fan? LMAO!

Thanks hon,

nina

Caitie,

Thanks SO much for the link to that article! I posted it in the other thread as essential reading and I would encourage anyone interested in all of this to read that article.

I’ll leave another link here.

Thanks sweetheart!

nina

Update 15:00

Well — I never heard back from Shannon Royer’s campaign (not surprising)

And check this out here! The Lazy Geisha getting some coverage and working all the angles! Yay! Much love to Anastasia for posting this there! <3

nina aoki

Update

Much love to Adele Haze for mentioning and linking this article from her blog here! <3

nina

Aw Hapes, I’m sorry. I was thinking of Rick Santorum when PA comes to mind. Of course I shoulda been thinking of Ed Rendell, the governor.

That, and all those towns with the iconic names like Intercourse, Blue Ball, Buttzville, and Bird in Hand.

Of course there is Fucking, Austria. Hmmm. Oh to be a Fucker, or a Fucking resident . ;)

Let me know when the Civil War of PA starts and I’ll come and help kick out the other half, ok.

Btw, just for the record, I have been through West Chester on the way to York.

Ok, now that’s off my conscious.

And I did visit the HD factory too. ;)

When people like mark and helen and others like them tell you it’s all for “community”, keep this in mind….

“The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life.”
-Adolph Hitler, My New World Order, Proclamation to the German Nation at Berlin, February 1, 1933

Lazy Ichi, doing laundry tonite,

You mean “Man on Dog” Rick Sanatorium?

LMAO!

Yeah… they do have some strange names for those towns in that state, don’t they? :lol:

nina

Lazy Ichi,

lol! Okay — now I’m calling you on Godwin’s Law! hahahahahahaha!!!!

We have our first Hitler reference for this thread — tho a very, very accurate one indeed…

nina

This is one more example where the elected politicians have allowed religion to slowly supersede the United States Constitution. the Vatican is another country at least that is what they claim, therefore another country as well as a religion is telling this community that they are going to use the courts of this country to suppress freedom for adults to decide for themselves what they will watch, do, behave or buy. this church ought have its tax exempt status revoked immediately and if further intrusion into the secular political process continues they ought to be classified as terrorists and treated as we treat any other religion that attempts to destroy America. Americans claim extreme Islam is destroying America and would place Sharia law into force if it had its way. I say this country, ie. Vatican, is challenging America’s Constitution, wanting to make freedom of choice for women a crime, wanting to continue the control of what American’s watch
and numerous other areas of behavior therefore they are a bona fide terrorist country and its representatives must be brought to justice and imprisoned or sent back to Rome and the Vatican. This is a secular country that gives religion the freedom to worship as it pleases NOT to overthrow this country!

I will pay a MILLION (imaginary) dollars to the first person who can come up with a way to indicate just the tone I was going for in a post.

FWIW: I know any statements made about PA residents were generalizations, and thus do not include clueful people like myself. If I can be considered clueful. I mean, I’m more clueful than, oh, certain priests we know.

I was attempting to indicate ‘yeah, you’re right, but there are points of light within the darkness’.

Hapes,

I think we all should thank our lucky stars that we’re not from I-N-D-I-A-N-A, where they answer “WHOS HERE” when someone knocks at the door (btw, it’s where the term “Hoosier” was derived from). For the life of me, I can’t think of anyone famous who admitted they were from Indiana.

I’m just sayin’ …. ;)

Tones for a Thursday…
Baby Mammoth - “Chicken Chiefly”

Dan,

Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts with me. Tho, I feel that we should clarify a couple of things here for accuracy.

While “Rome” pulls the strings, there is a small degree of autonomy for each church. Tho I would imagine that the Philadelphia Archdiocese is WELL AWARE of what Eddie Deliman is up to, and is also likely making funding and legal representation and advisors available to Saint Agnes.

The Catholic Church is like any other company in the world: There’s a hierarchy and rules to how things work and get done. Eddie Deliman doesn’t have the autonomy to pull off this random act of aggression — he’s being backed up by Philly.

Lawyers for the church are likely going to use the “Secondary Effects” approach to attacking Feminique Boutique — even tho the Secondary Effects data has been discredited. Jill is going to need a lawyer who knows their way around this issue.

But based on everything I’ve reported, there’s NO WAY Jill’s shop can even be considered an Adult Entertainment or Adult Bookstore establishment.

She still need to have a good lawyer tho. What actually interests me, is that she said that she already cleared this hurdle with the zoning board in order to open. I personally can’t understand why the zoning board is even considering this appeal by the church.

nina

hapes,

Well — I imagine that even the people of West Chester, PA don’t want the Catholic Church and self appointed guardian of morality Eddie Deliman telling them what to do and how to live their lives.

People only have so much tolerance for this kind of meddling bullshit.

nina

Lazy Ichi,

LMAO! Is that true? hahaha!

Tunes for Thursday?

Thunder in the East — Loudness

and;

E-Z-O by EZO

and:

A little X Japan! (my favorite!)

Nothing like a little something from home! :lol:

nina

Update

Much love to Stanley of Sexoteric for posting an excerpt and link to this interview!

Thanks Stanley! You Rock!

nina

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