Where the personal becomes the political in our unquenchable thirst for knowledge…


“Knowledge is a dangerous thing and I thank you for this reminder”
- Comment #102

On its face, the sheer magnitude of the meaning behind such words is staggering and frightening in its implications – that knowledge is something we should fear, and that knowledge could somehow be considered dangerous to us and our lives.

There is a real and tangible difference between information and knowledge; with the latter suggesting an understanding and comprehension of the former.

Knowledge is how we use information – and among considered minds of equally considered people, our pursuit of knowledge should be our highest ideal; that we should always be willing to challenge ourselves and our beliefs with new and ever evolving information so that we may also increase our understanding and therefore our own knowledge.

But not everyone sees things this way – and for some, particularly those who would seek to control the flow of information to serve their own interests… people having knowledge is the scariest thing in the world to them – because people who are in personal possession of knowledge are much less willing to cede control of their lives to others; be that control given to another person or an institution or government, and such educated and informed individuals are a threat to those who would seek to hold power over others simply by controlling just how much information any one person is allowed to have.

Last week when I first wrote about the situation surrounding Jill McDevitt here; I didn’t adequately measure the depths of the waters which I had waded into – tho I do indeed recognize that any conversation surrounding sex and religion is often provocative and somewhat edgy, but I also think that tends to be in line with much of what I write about anyway, and is very much in line with who I am as a woman.  I crave exploring the outer edges and coloring outside the lines – for this has always been where I have discovered the things in this universe which lead me to a state of “knowledge” — we only learn by being willing to accept what we don’t know or understand, and we never learn by simply accepting information without questioning.

Tho to some degree — ‘faith’ requires us to suspend our quest for more; even as we may seek to increase our understanding and knowledge of our faith by immersing ourselves with information – faith itself requires a different kind of commitment to knowledge.  We make that leap of faith in the hopes that one day we will reach an enlightened place of knowledge; either thru death and afterlife or perhaps by way of an epiphany or reaching a transcendent place of spirituality thru meditation.

That’s the thing about faith – you don’t really know what’s on the other side until you get there.

But what happens when faith becomes perverted by the human lust for power and control?

A personal bête noire for me is organized religion – because I see such institutional herding of those who have faith as something completely serving the needs of  those who seek to hold power over the faithful.  Faith does not require religion to exist, yet religion does not exist without faith.

I’ve asked a very simple fundamental question throughout all of this discussion about sex, religion, politics, and thru the associated splinters of conversations which have broken off from the branch – ‘why does anyone want to control what others do in the privacy of their own lives?’

In some ways my own understanding of the phenomenon, that is, the mechanics of how that control is established, perpetuated and functions has been increased, but my understanding of the motivations behind that are what I’ve really been questioning all along: and the only answer I’ve been able to glean from all of this discussion continually circles back to one word: control

What truly threatens the power of those who perceive themselves as being in control of others in that codependent relationship between leader and follower is knowledge itself.  One must willingly surrender control to someone else — it cannot be taken or forced — be that to another person, an elected official, or a church, in order for that relationship to function.

But what struck me like a bucket of cold water splashing across my face was the sentence in italics above –

“Knowledge is a dangerous thing…”

Indeed it is.  If your goal is to control others.

What began as a quirky musing on my part has become something so much larger than just my annoyed amusement towards people who get all worked up and hysterical over other people fucking in ways that they don’t like – it’s become an idea… and ideas are notoriously difficult to quash.  Ideas take on a life of their own.  They grow like seeds sown in the fields of our minds…  simply waiting for the water of knowledge to make them grow.  We feed these seeds with information and then one idea becomes two which becomes four which become eight… until these seedlings sprouting in our minds break thru the soil and reach for the nourishing light of expression… and in that moment, we cease to be the simple creatures of our birthright… we become everything our human potential promises us we can be – because we were not afraid of knowledge.

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I have always found religious zealots to be sexual deviants behind closed doors. I have also found religious zealots to be some of the most unethical people to deal with in business.

They say one thing and do the opposite and never think a second about it. They skip all the parts about being a good person and jump right to the part about casting judgment on those whose beliefs differ.

HI Nina,
Well Damn Said!!! …I read something today which brings clarity to me regarding your previous post… and the fact you talked to this poor girl.I believe your words were great encouragement. She is being used as a pawn for political gain…Seriously, What man would have issues with this!? Sex is on the forefront of men’s thoughts…Only one answer….somehow fiscal gain for someone. Blah, I digress…this is the quote I read today…and it reminds me of you, darling Nina!
“Remember…evil can only survive when good people do NOTHING” ….
Take Care Sweetest Nina!
love,
Steffy

a little late,
but on 4 june 1919,
the u.s. congress passed
the 19th amendment.

annual chapeaux doff
to elizabeth cady stanton
susan b. anthony, and
all seed-sowing sisters
of the struggle.

eighty-nine years & counting…
~

I have always found religious zealots to be sexual deviants behind closed doors. I have also found religious zealots to be some of the most unethical people to deal with in business.

Exactly right. I believe that is called “hypocrisy,” and we’ve seen example after example in the past few years from those who’ve sought to attempt to impose restrictions on our private lives legislatively or through the tool of the church (can you say “Pastor Haggard?”).

This is an excellent post as always, Nina. And think about how this gets applied even within the construct of sex education. The abstinence only freaks withhold and distort valuable information about contraception from teenagers in order to attempt to control their sexual behavior. “Family values” to these people is a code word for “control” in fact.

Control over sexuality and its expression is probably one of the single most critical tools the patriarchy has in its arsenal. Which helps explain why the Catholic Church (especially, but it applies to many other denominations as well) is so hell-bent on screwing with anyone…or, rather, any woman who dares to deviate from their construct of how they believe sexuality ought to be expressed. As you’ve pointed out before, feminine sexuality is extremely powerful, and if the patriarchy can’t control it, they risk losing unfettered control of society.

(just to make it clear: THIS IS SARCASM!!!!!!)

Oh, you women and your jihad for your ‘rights’! Don’t you know your place is in the kitchen, when you’re not busy squeezing out another heir to my kingdom? Now go away, I have to have the house boy lick my anus clean!

Where do you separate control and money? I know they are interconnected, but I think in some cases the utter goal is capital gains, not simply control for the sake of control.

IMO, organized religion in America is all about money. It’s a huge business/franchise with the end goal of making money for all the parties involved. Except the bottom of the pyramid, of course. What makes me wonder is how any normal person can believe god exists (and god is kind) when kids in Africa are dying of hunger and AIDS, and women all over the world getting breast cancer…

I guess the key point in preparing good church going citizen is to start very early, when kid is not use to question whatever BS grown up people feed him.

On a topic of sexual deviants… One time we were working on a website for big online store for Christians. It was really brilliantly organized - all the “employees” (customer service etc) were volunteers from church, working to spread the word… So the owner was simply pocketing the whole profit.

One day we had to install some stuff on owners computer. Very religious guy. Big Christ-on-the-cross screensaver on the computer and everything. Guess what? One of the hidden folders contained gigabytes of porno. No wonder the Christ is crying. If somebody was doing organized religion business in my name - I’d be crying too

The control of knowledge has been one of the basic tools for the enslavement of humanity for thousands of years and every time it seems that people realize it the powers that be find some way to appease the mob while avoiding the admission of guilt. The most common form was in restricting who was allowed to read. Today the most common form of controls are in what is taught in our schools and what is broadcast on TV. In the schools kids are conditioned to accept without question everything that is being taught. As we transition to adults we’re told over and over that “this” person or group are the experts and that they will make sure we know all we need to. And that is how so many people today reach adulthood without any idea of how to think for themselves. It’s easy to let someone else do the thinking. It’s not just with religion, it’s in politics, business, health care, environmental issues, animal rights and even science. Any time we simply accept what we’ve been told we are willingly giving some one the power to control us. One must willingly surrender control to someone else — it cannot be taken or forced

No one is a slave unless they choose to be. But those who have enough power can force compliance.

But being a willing slave is part and parcel of almost every organized religion and in reality religion is almost always the foundation of any society. And society has never been about freedom, it’s been about following the rules and fitting in. Jill’s problem is that she did follow the rules for one society but has run afoul of another embedded society. In most places this is common, that two or more societies overlap and co-exist, sometimes seeming like a single entity, but it’s when we counter the dogma of one group that the true rifts within this situation come to light.

I have always believed that those who seek power for it’s own sake are nothing but bullies. They feel strong because they can force others to comply with their rules and wishes. What bullies never realize is that they have power for only as long as the victim allows them to.

Another interesting topic Lazy Geisha. I thought your post on Jill McDevitt made some excellent points and like you I found myself wondering what all the fuss was about.

Sex and religion don’t have to be mutually exclusive, and there’s nothing morally wrong about the enjoyment of sex. I guess from the Christian perspective, it boils down to who it’s with and in what context, i.e. marital or non-marital, but the objection here seemed to be about what the store sold (sex toys) and its location (across the road from a candy store and next door to a toy store). Neither of those is mentioned in the Bible, so I struggle to understand the reasoning behind the moral outrage.

We still have the odd protest here about the ubiquitous Ann Summers chain of sex toys and lingerie shops but overall I think people are getting used to the fact that they a) sell sex toys and b) go for prime retail, as does any other type of retailer that can afford it.

It’s not that I don’t have religious beliefs myself, or that I don’t respect those of others, but I find myself wondering if it’s really the place of the Church to get involved in something like this.

Livvy xxx

Sean,

Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts with me. I think any type of ‘zealotry’ — whether that be religious based, political, or ideological is always dangerous. One can feel and be passionate about something, but when we discount the possibility and relevance of other opinions and viewpoints, we run the danger of closing ourselves off to other potential sources of learning.

But that said, I agree — there have been atrocious examples of hypocrisy within organized religion; and especially on the political front where your David Vitters and Larry Craigs of the world who say one thing about how everyone else should live their lives but then their own actions are in complete contrast to those views… well, I think that says it all.

One doesn’t need faith, or religion, or have to adhere to someone else’s moral code to be a good person: you just have to be one.

Thanks much,

nina

Steffy,

Thanks so much sweetheart for sharing this with me. I’m not so sure that Jill herself is being used as a pawn, but I think that her shop is being used to galvanize the religious crazies in that small community. What’s truly shocking is that none of the people who are so hysterical over this shop have even been inside it. So, what’s really got them all worked up is their own imagination.

Some people, especially with regard to sex, have such a poor understanding and a truly shameful view of their own sexuality that they simply cannot get around those ingrained attitudes. Much of that probably has to do with how they were raised and taught — that sex is something to be ashamed of and hidden, but we know better now. There’s nothing wrong with women, or men, learning and doing things to improve their understanding of their own sexuality and that of their partner’s.

What has happened in this case is that you’ve got a powerful leader in this community thru the Catholic Church who is essentially abusing his power and position. Is it about money? Maybe. But it’s much more about control.

Evil flourishes when we turn a blind eye to injustice, and the face of evil is not always what we expect either. Sometimes in the form of a demon, sometimes in the form of a lamb.

Thanks much hon,

nina

larokkaku,

You know, I’ve truly become fond of your timely and appropriate historical references! I too am a student of history and I have a great love for those who blazed the trails I now walk on.

Thank you for reminding me of this!

nina

Caitie,

Exactly right. I believe that is called “hypocrisy,” and we’ve seen example after example in the past few years from those who’ve sought to attempt to impose restrictions on our private lives legislatively or through the tool of the church (can you say “Pastor Haggard?”).

You mean Teddy Tweaker? Oh you’re absolutely right — and as I mentioned above in another response, with our David Vitters and Larry Craigs of the world who try and tell the rest of us how we should be living our lives — and then their own reality is vastly different… all we can do is call it what it is: hypocrisy.

Your points about abstinence only education are so relevant to this entire discussion too. You’ve seen all the data, I’ve seen all the data — abstinence only education simply does not work and all it does is reinforce cultural and religious prejudices towards normal human sexuality. By denying information to young teens, proponents of abstinence only education foster an environment of fear and misunderstanding where impressionable children begin to believe that their sexuality is something to be ashamed of and feared. Abstinence Only education is a complete distortion of reality and fact and exists to serve religious interests and goals — otherwise known as control as you’ve so eloquently pointed out.

Control over sexuality and its expression is probably one of the single most critical tools the patriarchy has in its arsenal.

In no uncertain terms can I agree more with this statement. The Catholic church and by extension the larger umbrella of non-denominational Christianity is a patriarchy where we have men making decisions about and for women and the lives of women. Any woman who deviates from their ideological mentality of a subservient woman is a threat to that, which is why they react with such vitriol and venom towards a woman (Jill McDevitt in this case) who dares to think different and offer women an alternative.

Think about it: Here we’ve got a 22 year old woman with her vanilla sex shop smack dab in the middle of West Chester — why would such a thing terrify the Catholic patriarchy? Because it threatens their grip of control over women because god forbid a woman goes in there and gets herself some knowledge, right?

Interestingly enough — the two people pushing this lawsuit against Jill are men. Two guys. No women. Just two very frightened little men.

Thanks so much sweetheart for sharing your thoughts with me.

nina

hapes,

Oh, you women and your jihad for your ‘rights’! Don’t you know your place is in the kitchen, when you’re not busy squeezing out another heir to my kingdom? Now go away, I have to have the house boy lick my anus clean!

Careful! I’ll get my estrogen posse after you! :P

nina

Vlad,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. I would agree that in some strains of Christianity, money is an absolute prime motivator. Think about the enormous mega-ministries and tele-ministries which exist in this country; but the real question becomes, what are they selling?

If you think about it: All churches and religions are “selling” something — be that faith, redemption, forgiveness, salvation, whatever. Religion creates the illusion of salvation, making people believe that it brings them closer to God, when all it really does is enable leaders of any such religion to exercise greater controls — and then of course, people willingly hand over their money in order to “buy into” that salvation. So, like anything else — it comes down to supply and demand.

The Church supplies the perception of salvation for a public which has been trained to demand some kind of guidance and leadership in their lives instead of taking the riskier path which involves thinking for themselves. Not everyone is ready to do that unfortunately!

I’m not surprised about your anecdote about the computer. These people are so wound up that such truly deviant behaviors are the natural and logical extension of that. The church forbids these people from being and acting like human beings — why are we surprised that they snap?

Seriously, think about the Catholic church which demands celibacy of priests and nuns. And we wonder why they snap?

And we should also recognize that a lot of people who are not very honorable often hide behind religion and use it as a shield. Either because of a guilty conscience or because they’re truly evil.

Thanks much,

nina

Brian,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. You raise some very good historical points over how control has been exerted over people — indoctrination I believe is an appropriate word to describe what you’re talking about. With respect to schools, the goal there is conformity, as it is with religions and other groups which seek to psychologically, emotionally, and spiritually enslave the masses.

We are never free when we blindly follow anyone or any ideology not our own.

I think the most salient point to address your last paragraphs, which I do find myself in agreement with, is: absolute power corrupts absolutely.

When we empower men to rule over our lives, we should always be ready and willing to re-examine the wisdom of that. And that includes elected officials, clergy, spiritual leaders, or anyone else who would seek to be a leader of people.

Thanks much,

nina

Livvy,

Thanks so much sweetheart! Yes, this one wound up being bigger than I expected — and it’s raised a number of truly interesting ideas and things to think about.

You’re right — sex and religion absolutely do not have to be mutually exclusive, tho in this country, religion exerts a much greater influence over people’s sex lives than it does in Europe. This problem is a very American phenomenon to some degree where religion was given a larger than it should have voice in our political process — so we then had religion, politics and then sex being used as wedge issues to benefit political right wingers.

It was a willing marriage too — where we had culturally conservative politically ambitious people who became willing partners with ambitious religious leaders who wanted greater control over the political process; which is why we have the abortion debate here years after Roe became law, and we have abstinence only sex education being pushed — but the pendulum is starting to swing in the other direction. People are tired of religion butting into their bedrooms.

I too have my own spiritual beliefs and I respect the right of anyone to have their own too — as long as their religious beliefs do not supercede or interfere with mine or my life.

And to answer your question: No, I don’t believe that it is ever the church’s place to exert its will over any private citizen. Which is exactly what’s happening in West Chester, PA.

Thanks so much hon,

nina

Oh, CRAP, the estrogen posse!

Or is that…pussy?

*rimshot*I’ll be here all week, thank you very much, tip your waitstaff!

Nina,

The way I see it, at least here in Michigan, it’s more like drugs, and not like free market with supply and demand.

People do not have a choice. They are not making a conscious decision to go to church to find salvation and faith. Instead kids are getting hooked up from very young age, and by the time the can finally think for themselves… By that time most of them can’t even imagine world without church. It’s all they know. Everybody doing it. Because it needs to be done. If you don’t go to Church on Sunday and don’t give them 1/3 of your income - it just feels wrong.

Like when parents teach us to brush our teeth. After a while it’s simply a natural thing to do. And when watching Travel Channel documentaries about tribes in Brazil - you can’t help but think: those pure people. If they’d only brush their teeth they’d still have them.

Only brushing teeth is good for you, and organized religion - very questionable.

So the way I see it, it’s not like salvation, it’s like a drug fix for a hooked up people.

I have friends who came to realization that there is no god when they were around 30. It was very painful, just like going into rehab, I guess. They still hide it from all the numerous siblings and relatives who live around, and still go to Church sometimes, for show. They do it because otherwise life will became very difficult for them.

That’s how it is in Michigan. :(

hapes,

Don’t give up your day job! lmao!

nina

Vlad,

Oh you’re absolutely right — it’s indoctrination into this sort of culture from a very young age and is perpetuated within the family units. It becomes like conditioning.

Isn’t there a quote that says that religion is the opiate for the masses?

But, it isn’t just Michigan, it’s everywhere.

Thanks much,

nina